Ok I feel a bit funny about posting this because those of you who have been here

a long time like DB, will probably remember me putting this on here quite a while ago.

I want to re-mix/edit it because I feel I am more accomplished at that sor of stuff now than

when I originally recorded it. I want it to be one of the songs on my album when I

finaly have enough songs but I don't think it's up to it yet. And I think there are some people on here regularly right now

with lots of very good advice

PLUS! If you scroll down to the youtube link you'll get to see a photo of "the missus" naked in the bath!  

Please help...http://www.musicxray.com/xrays/51103

Like this Shavuitje, it's got a real unique sound with well balanced production, works well. Look forward to more

hi schav,
great song, really swings & lyrics are brill
you sound like robyn hitchcock in the vocal (gonna see him in a coupla weeks)
& youve written lovely beatley chorus..love it

how about coming straight in at the start...snare crack and your in...?
gtr mix is very weird very low,  sounds exciting but its way way back almost inaudible...
really like the organ swirls
good bass playing maybe drums could be more forward ..

really good song
dont need to redo it, its all there just got to get the mix...!
all the best,
nooms

i can see why you want to redo this ....its a very good song but it doesnt sound great...& theres nothing wrong with the playing & the vocals
the mix is so dull & flat  & evrything is struggling to be heard becos evrything is eqed the same... to get a clear mix i always go for tones that sit at diffrent places in the hearing spectrum (i dont know the lingo but i know how to do it) so instruments dont get in each others way & evrything sounds distinct & seperate..
form a start theres no low end bass or high frequensies... evrything s lumped togethrer  in the middle
id start with the bass & drums & eq them till you get a nice fat sound ...plenty of bass on the kick... crisp snare &  trebly hihat then bring in the bass equed so it doesnt cover up any of the drums
then bring in the guitars... again eqing so they dont obscure what youve already got & pan them a bit to make spaces &to keep the mix clear
then finaly eq the vocal to fit in the space in the middle
if i cant do it with eq i use a compresser sometimes to change the sound of things& the right reverb can also work  
maybe im telling you what you already know in that case sorry i cant help!

Thanks Jim I'm really glad you liked it

Nooms, thanks for your advice. To tell you the truth, going back to this

after leaving it alone for a long while, I had the same thought about shortening the beginning, I was hoping someone

would think the same, to reaffirm my thoughts. I like the idea of just a sharp snare shot and in, thanks for that i'll

try it out. I didn't notice the guitar. I'll go back and listen to that.

Tinam, all advice is good advice and I certainly don't know it all. I am getting better but I still need to learn a lot and you are right,

 it all sounds wooly and the sounds do need sparating. I think you are right about the bass too. I wouldn't have chosen Drums and

Bass to start the process but I will I'm still learning so I would have worked randomly. As a guitarist probably with that 

Although I must admit that I am much prefering to play my bass at the moment. Bass is so cool.

Thatnks guys

I sympathise with you Schavu, I have many songs that I am not happy with as I wasnt good enough at production years ago - funny enough it's only now I can hear it

Although you are not happy with the mix I cannot see anything drastically happening to the actual song if you improve it - in my opinion you just dont feel right about this song

Unfortuntaely I am of the belief that you have a window of opportunity for as song, once you have developed it so far it's nearly impossible to unravel it and start again

For me there is potentialy something quite fantastic in here, wonderful melody ( you do excel in really weird note progressions ) nice bass playin my friend

The best advice I can give if you are really not happy with it is to change the tempo and start again, just for fun mate and see what develops

Sorry I can't be of any more help than this 

Thank you nooms, Tina and Kaf. I took everything you all said on board and for the last two nights
have been playing with the mix and here's the result.

Btw nooms, I recorded this one before Christmas when I got my keyboard so there is no moog, only guitar and bass.

It is a really cool effect though

Is it better? Anything still need fixing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D51g83936Ao

Wow Schavu - this is much better for me ( eating my words  )

The first thing I notice is the drums sit way better in the mix (this is where you will say you never touched the drums  ) but they do - I thought they sounded out in your first mix

The guitars also come through much better which all in turn helps your melody shine through stronger - you have done a great job 

But if I was you I would get some keyboard on there, some little finishing touches to make it world class

Well done 

Have you got the original take on a multitracker? Separate track for each instrument?

The key instrument in this song is the bass. On the "less is more" principle, I would love to hear a version with the guitar completely removed from at least the first verse.

I would also experiment with panning different sounds around a bit -

 - bass dead up the middle and bone dry.

- guitar offcentre, say right side.

- keys - offcentre, left side, and roughly equidistant to guitar.

vocals - a smidgeon to one side, possibly the left, so as to not conflict with the guitar.

NO! haha No Moog. It's full! 
Thanks though Kaf for listening to the mix again. I just noticed a big timing issues as it goes into the first chorus but
I'll fix that. No need to repost it when I have. It's the mix I wanted improving and I think Iv'e managed it. Will wait for further
comments before decidiing

hi schavuitje, i missed this one, so here's a little late reply. 
second one is much better indeed. but to my ears there's still something strange going on, i can't lay my finger on. may be its very crowded in this mix and it seems like every instrument is doing its own song while not listening to each other just fighting for attention. also i hear there's something out of tune, but again i can't figure out what that is. anyway its already much better and as a song certainly more then worthwhile.


gr.    Dan 

Sounds quite charming in a way that reminded me of early indy stuff from the punk days - Stiff Records etc. The arrangement was either very craftily naive or simply a bit random - only you know which. Can't whistle it but I enjoyed it.

I'm getting the feeling it's still not right then 

I'm glad everyone seems to think that Improvement has been made with the 2nd mix, but also

glad for the heads up that it still isn't right Jordan - I'll go for craftily naive  Which is actually true, but

all this tweaking is certainly good for the learning process.

Thanks again guys

If I manage to improve upon what I have with all the advice I'll put another link up. I don't like bumping my own post

but I really do want to get this right. Cheers again

hi schav,
it works much better ..
really swings...

theres a dodgy edit or somat at @1.23 or thereabout and check 2.30
think id want to bring your vocal out more, maybe take some of the bottom end off
and a little more weight in the kit, a little more presence

i see you posted it at 4 in the morning, dont you ever sleep you lowlanders ?

I'm starting to believe this too. I've got a couple of tracks that I'm just so close to getting right then I get stuck. I put them away for a while and return with enthusiasm but still seem to get no further.
I hope you don't have the same problem.

On your track. I agree that the mix is a bit woolly, but otherwise it's a great song.