[Kafla]

Yeah I accept your points Calum and sing

I like whos whas when they form a hook

What I can't stand is the Tourette's , club style  - 'I need your love whoa a ha ha ' type shit

filler rather than all out hook type huma-bility  

[habiTat]

Words are beautiful but when sung with emotion and a heartfelt melody it becomes art

I think ohs and aas are total cop outs - I know this first hand , I have used them to , but it's mostly when I am too lazy to work harder to get a sentence that fits

Agree completely that the voice is an instrument  

I have posted this more as a discussion point not as a pop  

If the voice is an instrument, how can an ooh or an ahhh be a cop out?  

I use ooh's a lot, I like to figure out harmonies and layer them, creating what might be seen as an alternative to synths and strings I guess..

Definitely NOT a cop out..  

Listen to 'Grown Ocean' by Fleet Foxes, there is proof that an ooh is not a cop out..

I agree that lalala type stuff instead of a verse is just lazy though..

[Kafla]

Words are beautiful but when sung with emotion and a heartfelt melody it becomes art

I think ohs and aas are total cop outs - I know this first hand , I have used them to , but it's mostly when I am too lazy to work harder to get a sentence that fits

Agree completely that the voice is an instrument  

I have posted this more as a discussion point not as a pop  

If the voice is an instrument, how can an ooh or an ahhh be a cop out?  

I use ooh's a lot, I like to figure out harmonies and layer them, creating what might be seen as an alternative to synths and strings I guess..

Definitely NOT a cop out..  

Listen to 'Grown Ocean' by Fleet Foxes, there is proof that an ooh is not a cop out..

I agree that lalala type stuff instead of a verse is just lazy though..

Is that not the exact point I have just conceded 

[Kafla]

Plus I don't agree that the voice is just an instrument

Synthesisers speak words very badly  

[habiTat]

Words are beautiful but when sung with emotion and a heartfelt melody it becomes art

I think ohs and aas are total cop outs - I know this first hand , I have used them to , but it's mostly when I am too lazy to work harder to get a sentence that fits

Agree completely that the voice is an instrument  

I have posted this more as a discussion point not as a pop  

If the voice is an instrument, how can an ooh or an ahhh be a cop out?  

I use ooh's a lot, I like to figure out harmonies and layer them, creating what might be seen as an alternative to synths and strings I guess..

Definitely NOT a cop out..  

Listen to 'Grown Ocean' by Fleet Foxes, there is proof that an ooh is not a cop out..

I agree that lalala type stuff instead of a verse is just lazy though..

Is that not the exact point I have just conceded  

Haha, yep, I wrote that then saw your post as I was publishing mine, sorry Kaf.

I wanted to make my point though, ooh's are the cornerstone of most of my catalogue of work  

[Kafla]

Words are beautiful but when sung with emotion and a heartfelt melody it becomes art

I think ohs and aas are total cop outs - I know this first hand , I have used them to , but it's mostly when I am too lazy to work harder to get a sentence that fits

Agree completely that the voice is an instrument  

I have posted this more as a discussion point not as a pop  

If the voice is an instrument, how can an ooh or an ahhh be a cop out?  

I use ooh's a lot, I like to figure out harmonies and layer them, creating what might be seen as an alternative to synths and strings I guess..

Definitely NOT a cop out..  

Listen to 'Grown Ocean' by Fleet Foxes, there is proof that an ooh is not a cop out..

I agree that lalala type stuff instead of a verse is just lazy though..

Is that not the exact point I have just conceded  

Haha, yep, I wrote that then saw your post as I was publishing mine, sorry Kaf.

I wanted to make my point though, ooh's are the cornerstone of most of my catalogue of work  

No worries my friend

You know your reply surprises me though as I have always considered your lyrics well thought out so the oos and aas are well hidden

Maybe that the point - atmospheric , hooky yes

But I hate all those little whoops and yeahs - makes me think of Blackpool social clubs 

[habiTat]

Words are beautiful but when sung with emotion and a heartfelt melody it becomes art

I think ohs and aas are total cop outs - I know this first hand , I have used them to , but it's mostly when I am too lazy to work harder to get a sentence that fits

Agree completely that the voice is an instrument 

I have posted this more as a discussion point not as a pop 

If the voice is an instrument, how can an ooh or an ahhh be a cop out?   

I use ooh's a lot, I like to figure out harmonies and layer them, creating what might be seen as an alternative to synths and strings I guess..

Definitely NOT a cop out.. 

Listen to 'Grown Ocean' by Fleet Foxes, there is proof that an ooh is not a cop out..

I agree that lalala type stuff instead of a verse is just lazy though..

Is that not the exact point I have just conceded 

Haha, yep, I wrote that then saw your post as I was publishing mine, sorry Kaf.

I wanted to make my point though, ooh's are the cornerstone of most of my catalogue of work 

No worries my friend

You know your reply surprises me though as I have always considered your lyrics well thought out so the oos and aas are well hidden

Maybe that the point - atmospheric , hooky yes

But I hate all those little whoops and yeahs - makes me think of Blackpool social clubs 

Cheers Kaf, I do spend ages on my lyrics

I agree about whoops and yeahs, especially on studio material, because they arent spontaneous. On a live album then maybe they are ok.

There is ONE song where this is acceptable and pivotal to the feel of the song...



Blur - 'Song 2'    WOO HOOO.....   


Back to topic though, I think people need to include everything they can when they post a song, the more info the better, if they just ate cornflakes, then wrote a lyric which related to those flakes, I want to know!!

Or how else will I understand that obscure line?   

Foreign members, post your lyrics, don't run away. We can translate them if we want to using Mr Google 

A song is a song, all are welcome

[Dutchbeat]

oooooh, yeeeAAAH, baby

(great lyrics, don't you think, come, on  )

[S.T.C]

I have no opinion the subject 

[Calum Carlyle]

Kafla, by the way i just wanted to say i do actually agree with you, generally speaking. I only thought afterwards that maybe it looks like i totally disagree, but no i just think it's all good, so long as it can be used creatively, but i do agree with you that words can be beautiful, and that the voice is a particularly unique type of musical instrument too!

[Dutchbeat]

well, ok, in that case

i totally disagree 

[Jess]

Hi beautiful forum people,

My favourite introduction. Ever.

[basshead]

IMHO its music not maths and there are no rules . never got on well with rules anyway since the day my " music teacher " at upper school declined to teach me to read bass clef transcriptions on the grounds electric bass was not a " proper " instrument. WTF I have always considered myself to be a lyricist first, composer 2nd but I think if it works use it-be it an epic missive or oohs and aahs. personally i like to read the lyrics but think it should be personal choice to post or not. 

[cena69]

i agree they put emphasis on the last line
and its to tone in the song
never a cop-out

[Stephen Palmer]

If oohs and aahs were good enough for the Beatles, they're good enough for us!