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« on: June 10, 2012, 07:09:49 PM »
(this is an article I recently wrote)...

The task of coming up with a rhyme is not an art. A lot of songwriters think it is, so they consider the use of a rhyming dictionary to be sacrilegious. Discovering all of the possible rhymes you can use can only benefit your song. Before we get into the cool benefits of using a rhyming dictionary, I just want to cover a basic topic in rhyming. It’ll help me make the case for why a rhyming dictionary is beneficial.


Masculine vs. Feminine Rhyme

Masculine rhymes are easy to understand. Any one-syllable word being rhymed with another one-syllable word is a masculine rhyme.

“Pie” and “tie” are masculine rhymes. “Love” and “glove” are masculine rhymes. Easy enough, right?

The feminine rhyme is a bit more complex. “Feminine, complex?” you ask. “How can that be?!”

Multi-syllable words have stressed and unstressed syllables. Say the word “rhyming” out loud. Do you hear how the syllable “rhym-” is more stressed than the syllable “-ing.” Say it again and listen for it carefully.

Rhymes typically happen on the stressed syllable of a word. In the case of the word “rhyming” the “rhym-” part is the part we’ll want to rhyme with.

With that in mind, the words “rhyming” and “timing” are feminine rhymes. It’s not just because they have two syllables, but because the strong stress (or the rhymed stress) happens at the next to last syllable and NOT on last syllable. The last syllable can be a rhyme too, but it can also be an identity (which is a repetition of the exact same sound). I’ll put the stressed syllable in bold, so it’s clear:

Rhym-ing
Tim-ing

Do you see that? The rhyme happens away from the last syllable, while  the last syllable is an identity. The same goes for words like “flighty” and “mighty.” They’re feminine rhymes because the rhyme happens on the next to last syllable. If you say the words out loud, you’ll hear that the “flight-” and “might-” syllables are the stressed syllables, so they hold the rhyme. Make sense? 

But what about a multi-syllable word that ENDS on a strong syllable? Like the word “sublime.” Well, what I didn’t tell you earlier about masculine rhymes is that, not only do they happen for one syllable words, but they also happen for multi-syllable words that END on a stressed syllable.

Say the word “sublime” out loud. Do you hear how the “-lime” syllable is the stressed syllable? It gets more emphases that the “sub-” part. For that reason, this is a masculine rhyme. The cool part is we can rhyme it with another masculine word that’s only one syllable long. For example “sublime” and “time” rhyme. Cool, right?

As long as the last syllable is stressed, we’ll have a masculine rhyme. That’s why one syllable words are masculine rhymes. They only have one syllable, so by their nature, it’s the last syllable. 


Rhyming Dictionary
   
I recommend buying a rhyming dictionary. I know what you may be thinking: “I don’t need that, I go to www.rhymezone.com.” Well, you could do that, but the real thing is better for a couple of reasons.

One thing I used to notice about the online dictionaries was they had trouble distinguishing between masculine and feminine rhymes. They would force rhymes that didn’t fit. If you typed in a masculine rhyme like “bling” they would give you back some feminine options that wouldn’t make much sense. Words like “fighting” might make the cut.  “Fighting” is feminine rhyme.  The stress is on the “fight-” syllable, not on the “-ing.” If you try to rhyme “Bling” with “fight-ING” you’ll be forcing the stress to be on the last syllable, where it doesn’t belong. This will make your lyric sound unnatural. Say the word “fighting” out loud with the stress on the “-ing” and you’ll see what I mean. “Fight-ING.” Sure, I guess that rhymes with “bling” now, but it sounds weird. 

To their credit, on my more recent searches in the online dictionaries, they seem to be doing a better job of displaying masculine and feminine rhymes, when appropriate. If you do use an online rhyming dictionary, be on the lookout for potential masculine/feminine rhyme problems, and avoid using rhymes that don’t work.

Aside from that, it’s nice to have a physical rhyming dictionary, because you can flip through the pages and examine a lot of different options at one time. They break the masculine and feminine rhymes into separate sections, so there’s no confusion.  My rhyming dictionary even has a section for triple rhymes, which are words that have their stressed syllable as the third syllable from the end.


For Example

I still haven’t given you any hard evidence on why you shouldn’t shy away from a rhyming dictionary  (whether it’s a physical book or an online version). Let’s look at a real world example. Here’s a line from the Nickelback song, “Photograph.”

Kim’s the first girl I kissed
I was so nervous that I nearly missed


If I had to guess, I would say that there was no rhyming dictionary used in the second line. It comes off as sort of cheesy and it just feels like the word “missed” was used because it’s a rhyme you’d quickly think of for the word “kissed.”

As an exercise, how many words that rhyme with “kissed” can you think of off the top of your head? Try it.

My turn. I’ve got: missed, bliss (not a perfect rhyme), fist, dissed. I’m pretty much out of ideas after those four.

Now I’ll look in the masculine section of my rhyming dictionary for more options.
I’ve got: assist, exist, list, dismissed, insist, enlist, twist, persist, resist. There were a lot more in there, but I just pulled out the ones that looked like they could pertain to the Nickelback line we’re looking at. I’ve already got more options than I did off the top of my head and all of these pertain to the meaning of the lyrics (roughly).

Right off the bat we could have done:

Kim’s the first girl I kissed
I was so nervous, but I couldn’t resist


or

Kim’s the first girl I kissed
I was so nervous, but she’d insist


I’d have to change the way these were sung to make them work, but I think they’re getting away from the cheesiness of the “I was so nervous that I nearly missed” line, so I could certainly work with them. And if you like Nickelback’s original line, that’s okay (I guess), but look at the other immediate options I got from the rhyming dictionary. I just did these quickly. Had I spent more time on this, I could have come up with a lot more possibilities. A far cry from what was available off the top of my head. 


Finding a rhyme is not an art. It’s okay to use a rhyming dictionary. It can only give you more options. So go nuts. I promise it doesn’t make you any less of a creative artist.

The link to the full article is here...
http://www.successforyoursongs.com/past-newsletter-issues/issue-28/

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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2012, 11:04:41 PM »
Quite interesting....i`ve not used any aids for my lyrics,in fact i`ve never read a book on songwriting....

I`m not against the idea,just have not bothered....but i wouldn`t have rhymed kissed and missed if i had wrote that song.

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2012, 01:43:30 AM »
Interesting stuff...

I do sometimes load up rhyme zone if writing near a laptop, for instance if I have a great line but get stuck where to take it.

But a rhyme is, of course,
Only one part of a line;
The accent which we choose to enforce
Is nascent to our poetic course

;)

The character of a person's prose need not be affected by a cheeky nudge towards a pleasant turnaround, regardless of source. A list of rhymes is great to have to help us go a new way with our lyrics.

The discussions of masculine and feminine rhymes is new to me in itself, but everything it explains I feel many writers will know instinctively. A bit like playing an instrument without knowing where the notes are; we use our ears and pick the notes/words that sound right.

I did your little game and got most of the rhyming dictionary entries without cheating.  8) I am a wordaholic though. My kindle is my current obsession - all those classics for free you say?! And an instant built in dictionary! No longer do I skip over a word hitherto unknown to me  ;D Also, I have a nerdy interest in etymology especially in the romantic languages, which helps as I sometimes see words as branches leading to others.

I do feel that the more I read, the more I find my writing (whether that be prose or lyricism) can expand. But a nerd would say that ;)
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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2012, 10:45:23 PM »
 i use rhymezone its great
& i realy cant stand nickelback but there rhyme is much better than your ones... it conjures up nervous & clumsy which none of yours do
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 06:58:03 PM »
Quite interesting....i`ve not used any aids for my lyrics,in fact i`ve never read a book on songwriting....

I`m not against the idea,just have not bothered....but i wouldn`t have rhymed kissed and missed if i had wrote that song.

there's some great info out there worth checking out : )

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 06:59:50 PM »
Interesting stuff...

I did your little game and got most of the rhyming dictionary entries without cheating.  8) I am a wordaholic though. My kindle is my current obsession - all those classics for free you say?! And an instant built in dictionary! No longer do I skip over a word hitherto unknown to me  ;D Also, I have a nerdy interest in etymology especially in the romantic languages, which helps as I sometimes see words as branches leading to others.


Nice! Sounds like you are quite the wordsmith! :)

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 07:00:19 PM »
i use rhymezone its great
& i realy cant stand nickelback but there rhyme is much better than your ones... it conjures up nervous & clumsy which none of yours do

agree to disagree  ;)

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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2012, 04:12:54 PM »
Id disagree.

My whole songs are based on rhyming and I never only rhyme the first syllable, I wouldn't dream of it :S

Rhymezone is okay, but it can't know your accent, and 1000's of rhymes can be produced just by pronounciation.

While the content  is a bit "meh" to understand what im saying listen to "Eminem - Relapse" in terms of rhyming it gets silly lol

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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2012, 07:09:42 PM »
Id disagree.

My whole songs are based on rhyming and I never only rhyme the first syllable, I wouldn't dream of it :S

Rhymezone is okay, but it can't know your accent, and 1000's of rhymes can be produced just by pronounciation.

While the content  is a bit "meh" to understand what im saying listen to "Eminem - Relapse" in terms of rhyming it gets silly lol

That's actually a great point about accents... it does affect certain words and how they rhyme...

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2012, 10:53:19 AM »
(this is an article I recently wrote)...

The task of coming up with a rhyme is not an art. A lot of songwriters think it is, so they consider the use of a rhyming dictionary to be sacrilegious. Discovering all of the possible rhymes you can use can only benefit your song. Before we get into the cool benefits of using a rhyming dictionary, I just want to cover a basic topic in rhyming. It’ll help me make the case for why a rhyming dictionary is beneficial.


Masculine vs. Feminine Rhyme

Masculine rhymes are easy to understand. Any one-syllable word being rhymed with another one-syllable word is a masculine rhyme.

“Pie” and “tie” are masculine rhymes. “Love” and “glove” are masculine rhymes. Easy enough, right?

The feminine rhyme is a bit more complex. “Feminine, complex?” you ask. “How can that be?!”

Multi-syllable words have stressed and unstressed syllables. Say the word “rhyming” out loud. Do you hear how the syllable “rhym-” is more stressed than the syllable “-ing.” Say it again and listen for it carefully.

Rhymes typically happen on the stressed syllable of a word. In the case of the word “rhyming” the “rhym-” part is the part we’ll want to rhyme with.

With that in mind, the words “rhyming” and “timing” are feminine rhymes. It’s not just because they have two syllables, but because the strong stress (or the rhymed stress) happens at the next to last syllable and NOT on last syllable. The last syllable can be a rhyme too, but it can also be an identity (which is a repetition of the exact same sound). I’ll put the stressed syllable in bold, so it’s clear:

Rhym-ing
Tim-ing

Do you see that? The rhyme happens away from the last syllable, while  the last syllable is an identity. The same goes for words like “flighty” and “mighty.” They’re feminine rhymes because the rhyme happens on the next to last syllable. If you say the words out loud, you’ll hear that the “flight-” and “might-” syllables are the stressed syllables, so they hold the rhyme. Make sense? 

But what about a multi-syllable word that ENDS on a strong syllable? Like the word “sublime.” Well, what I didn’t tell you earlier about masculine rhymes is that, not only do they happen for one syllable words, but they also happen for multi-syllable words that END on a stressed syllable.

Say the word “sublime” out loud. Do you hear how the “-lime” syllable is the stressed syllable? It gets more emphases that the “sub-” part. For that reason, this is a masculine rhyme. The cool part is we can rhyme it with another masculine word that’s only one syllable long. For example “sublime” and “time” rhyme. Cool, right?

As long as the last syllable is stressed, we’ll have a masculine rhyme. That’s why one syllable words are masculine rhymes. They only have one syllable, so by their nature, it’s the last syllable. 


Rhyming Dictionary
   
I recommend buying a rhyming dictionary. I know what you may be thinking: “I don’t need that, I go to www.rhymezone.com.” Well, you could do that, but the real thing is better for a couple of reasons.

One thing I used to notice about the online dictionaries was they had trouble distinguishing between masculine and feminine rhymes. They would force rhymes that didn’t fit. If you typed in a masculine rhyme like “bling” they would give you back some feminine options that wouldn’t make much sense. Words like “fighting” might make the cut.  “Fighting” is feminine rhyme.  The stress is on the “fight-” syllable, not on the “-ing.” If you try to rhyme “Bling” with “fight-ING” you’ll be forcing the stress to be on the last syllable, where it doesn’t belong. This will make your lyric sound unnatural. Say the word “fighting” out loud with the stress on the “-ing” and you’ll see what I mean. “Fight-ING.” Sure, I guess that rhymes with “bling” now, but it sounds weird. 

To their credit, on my more recent searches in the online dictionaries, they seem to be doing a better job of displaying masculine and feminine rhymes, when appropriate. If you do use an online rhyming dictionary, be on the lookout for potential masculine/feminine rhyme problems, and avoid using rhymes that don’t work.

Aside from that, it’s nice to have a physical rhyming dictionary, because you can flip through the pages and examine a lot of different options at one time. They break the masculine and feminine rhymes into separate sections, so there’s no confusion.  My rhyming dictionary even has a section for triple rhymes, which are words that have their stressed syllable as the third syllable from the end.


For Example

I still haven’t given you any hard evidence on why you shouldn’t shy away from a rhyming dictionary  (whether it’s a physical book or an online version). Let’s look at a real world example. Here’s a line from the Nickelback song, “Photograph.”

Kim’s the first girl I kissed
I was so nervous that I nearly missed


If I had to guess, I would say that there was no rhyming dictionary used in the second line. It comes off as sort of cheesy and it just feels like the word “missed” was used because it’s a rhyme you’d quickly think of for the word “kissed.”

As an exercise, how many words that rhyme with “kissed” can you think of off the top of your head? Try it.

My turn. I’ve got: missed, bliss (not a perfect rhyme), fist, dissed. I’m pretty much out of ideas after those four.

Now I’ll look in the masculine section of my rhyming dictionary for more options.
I’ve got: assist, exist, list, dismissed, insist, enlist, twist, persist, resist. There were a lot more in there, but I just pulled out the ones that looked like they could pertain to the Nickelback line we’re looking at. I’ve already got more options than I did off the top of my head and all of these pertain to the meaning of the lyrics (roughly).

Right off the bat we could have done:

Kim’s the first girl I kissed
I was so nervous, but I couldn’t resist


or

Kim’s the first girl I kissed
I was so nervous, but she’d insist


I’d have to change the way these were sung to make them work, but I think they’re getting away from the cheesiness of the “I was so nervous that I nearly missed” line, so I could certainly work with them. And if you like Nickelback’s original line, that’s okay (I guess), but look at the other immediate options I got from the rhyming dictionary. I just did these quickly. Had I spent more time on this, I could have come up with a lot more possibilities. A far cry from what was available off the top of my head. 


Finding a rhyme is not an art. It’s okay to use a rhyming dictionary. It can only give you more options. So go nuts. I promise it doesn’t make you any less of a creative artist.

The link to the full article is here...
http://www.successforyoursongs.com/past-newsletter-issues/issue-28/

I'm trying to write my first ever song... and I got to a line where the cheesiness was overwhelming and I had to stop and ponder on why that was... You've just covered exactly what I was trying to work out in my head of how to avoid the cheese! thank you!

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 12:30:56 PM »
I definitely agree with Liam in that accent changes a lot. How many pop songs that rhyme 'dance' with something would sound crap in an English accent? 'I came to dance (dance dance dance) out on the floor 'cause that's my plans (plans plans plans)'
It would suck...

I don't have a problem, though, with imperfect rhymes and first-syllable rhymes if they're used right. I reckon the first bit of 'Underdog' is a great example of this.

I can't think of how to say the rest of what I wanted to say, so I'll leave it there.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 02:41:36 PM »
Iv'e only just noticed this thread. I'll go back later when I have more time and read it all.
I will say quickly now before reading that I do use an online rhyming dictionary sometimes.
I don't need it often but it's a great source. Sometimes you come up with a line you wouldn't have thought of.
That's about all I have to say about that  :D
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2012, 10:16:44 PM »

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I'm trying to write my first ever song... and I got to a line where the cheesiness was overwhelming and I had to stop and ponder on why that was... You've just covered exactly what I was trying to work out in my head of how to avoid the cheese! thank you!


that's awesome - love this!  :)

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2012, 10:17:33 PM »
Iv'e only just noticed this thread. I'll go back later when I have more time and read it all.
I will say quickly now before reading that I do use an online rhyming dictionary sometimes.
I don't need it often but it's a great source. Sometimes you come up with a line you wouldn't have thought of.
That's about all I have to say about that  :D
For now  ;D

Good point - I agree  :)