konalavadome

Headphone Monitoring - what do you think of these...

  • 6 Replies
  • 2492 Views

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Boydie

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Stadium Tour
  • *****
  • Posts: 3977
« on: April 16, 2012, 11:49:25 PM »


Due to the location of my computer set-up (in the living room) I am not able to use any monitor speakers  :'(

I have been using some 250ohm Beyerdynmic DT770 headphones, which I am finding a bit bass heavy after playing my mixes on different speakers

What do you guys make of these - the combination of which may give me the next best thing to monitor speakers for around £200ish
 

KRK KNS 8400

http://www.krksys.com/krk-headphones/kns-8400.html 

I LOVE the sound of KRK monitor speakers and the reviews seem to suggest that these headphones give a similar feel

 
I am toying with complimenting them with one of these for £80 – a Focusrite VRM Box to give the feel of speakers and to compare mixes on different "virtual" speakers/environments
http://www.focusrite.com/products/audio_interfaces/vrm_box/


The reviews of both have been extremely favourable and I wondered if anyone here had any experience / opinion of them before I pull the trigger

Although nothing like the “real thing” this might make the best of my setup

Whadayafink?
To check out my music please visit:

http://soundcloud.com/boydiemusic

Twitter: https://twitter.com/BoydieMusic

Kafla

  • *
  • Guest
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 10:04:35 AM »
I am not an expert Boydie but I don't believe that £200 headphones will make an difference over a good set at £70-80

I know you can't mix on monitors but I bought Harmon Kardon soundsticks for £100 a few months back on the recommendation of Paul from the forum

Since I have bought these I have never had to retweak a mix

When I used headphones the songs sounded so different in my car, living room speakers that I was constantly adjusting levels , panning etc

I like the soundsticks  ;D

Boydie

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Stadium Tour
  • *****
  • Posts: 3977
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 10:44:51 AM »
Thanks KAFLA

The little Focusrite box is meant to give you the experience of monitoring on speakers - i.e. including crosstalk and "environment modelling" of different environments (Pro Studio, Bedroom, Living Room) as well as different speakers from high end studio monitors to crappy pc speakers, tv speakers and hi-fi speakers - allowing you to test your mix without moving anywhere

It all seems too good to be true but to be fair most of the reviews start off by saying this and then gradually get convinced as they use it

For £80 I might take a punt (will report back if I do!)
To check out my music please visit:

http://soundcloud.com/boydiemusic

Twitter: https://twitter.com/BoydieMusic

domstone86

  • *
  • Open Mic
  • **
  • Posts: 191
    • Facebook URL
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2012, 01:43:27 PM »
Hmm. I gotta be honest, I can't see how spending more money on headphones is going to help you too much, and I wouldn't trust environmental emulation, though it's definitely something to try out.

My headphones being stolen was a blessing in disguise as there is no way you're going to truly pan properly and work with things using just headphones. The spekaers I have are worth £20 and have a roll off at around 100hz and cuts at around 50hz. Not the most ideal monitoring solution, but after working solely on them, my mixes started becoming a lot closer, clearer and more consistant, as headphoens can make anything sound great.

I believe that headphones are still essential but in their own right. They're good for listening post master as they're usually pretty sensitive to transients and dynamics in my experience. They're also good to clean stuff up like problem frequencies, but they're a risky mixing solution, and certainly not a mastering solution. Relying on the flattering sound of headphones is like mastering a song, then going back and mixing it with the master fx chain enabled. A surefire way to lose punch and focus.


That being said lol, asking people online for an opinion for headphones that you might want may not be the most effective approach. Some may be less forgiving, or sound too in your face. Some may sound silky smooth etc. Everyone works differently with different monitors and you will need to find something that works right for you. So certainly, get to know the market for different types, but it's really important that you can make a direct comparison before you buy. That way you know you got the right set for you!

Ramshackles

  • *
  • Global Moderator
  • Stadium Tour
  • *****
  • Posts: 1432
  • https://soundcloud.com/ramshackles
    • Ramshackles @ Facebook
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2012, 02:36:51 PM »
Well, it's true that you really need a good pair of monitors in order to mix accurately, but if your situation is that you can only use headphones, thats what it is :P It's still possible to get good mixes using headphones. But if you can at least check them on some monitors once in a while it will help.

Headphones are like monitors and you generally pay for what you get. Something to be wary of is that headphones do not have a flat response and manufacturers do not aim to get a flat response (as is the case with monitors). To get the best out of your headphones you need a good headphone amp aswell - you cannot just plug headphones into line-level outputs as there is an impedance mismatch. Again, you generally get what you pay for with amps.

There is a great article in soundonsound:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan07/articles/mixingheadphones.htm

Boydie

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Stadium Tour
  • *****
  • Posts: 3977
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2012, 03:25:38 PM »
Thanks guys

Having done some more research and taking on board the comments here I have just pulled the trigger on a pari of KRK KNS 8400 with the VRM box for a package deal of £185 all in

The studio I have access to uses KRK Rokit 8 monitors and I have read that the KRK headphones are voiced in a similar way to their monitors as I completely agree with RAMSHACKLES that all manufacturers voice slightly differently

I agree that having speakers is the better option but simply impossible in my current situation

By combining the headphones with the VRM box I will at lease be getting a decent pair of headphones, a headphone amp, a soundcard to allow me to mix using just the VRM, and a representation of different speakers to test mixes

I will report back on how it all sounds when it arrives as the proof is in the pudding (well the mix anyway  ;D  ;) !)
To check out my music please visit:

http://soundcloud.com/boydiemusic

Twitter: https://twitter.com/BoydieMusic

Boydie

  • *
  • Administrator
  • Stadium Tour
  • *****
  • Posts: 3977
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 11:45:00 PM »
Headphones and VRM box arrived today so I thought I would post a mini review

KRK KNS 8400 Headphones

These are simply stunning headphones - extremely comfortable and light

I have been using DT770 Pros but the clarity of sound through the KRK headphones is simply amazing

I would definitely recommend these to anyone else restricted to headphone only monitoring


Focusrite VRM Box

This has taken most of my evening to get working with my Fast Track Ultra audio interface

The idea is that you connect the VRM box to the PC via USB and then connect the S/PDIF output of the audio interface to the VRM

Once it is all working correctly you are able to listen to audio as if it is coming from a range of speakers from professional studio monitors to hi-fi and TV speakers

When it works it really does work well and gives you the sense of listening to loudspeakers - I would have bet money there were speakers in front of me on some of the pre-sets

I think this is a great addition for anyone monitoring on headphones and if you get a chance to try it out it is worth a go

You can get an idea of how it works from this little demo:

http://www.focusrite.com/vrm_sampler/
To check out my music please visit:

http://soundcloud.com/boydiemusic

Twitter: https://twitter.com/BoydieMusic