Mastering - what is it, and why should I care

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Mr.Chainsaw

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« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2012, 11:38:13 PM »
Ok, dont listen to my rambling and just read those articles.

Haha, mate, your knowledge is eclipsed only by your enthusiasm :) seems like I can't post anything in this section of the forum without a free essay coming from you!

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 02:43:19 AM »
Your a clever man Mr Chainsaw  ;D
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 04:05:23 PM »
Uh...sorry, I get carried away  :-[

We just got back the music from the mastering engineer (he did a great job) and I made the most simplistic 'preview' video ever:


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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 08:57:23 PM »
He did a fantastic job! Beautiful, big, deep, rich and engaging sound there my friend. Well done :)
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2012, 11:00:44 PM »
That was fantastic! OMG... brilliant. The sound quality was amazing. And very good songs too, Bluebell Woods
is fantastic.
Well done  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2012, 11:41:42 PM »
That was fantastic! OMG... brilliant. The sound quality was amazing. And very good songs too, Bluebell Woods
is fantastic.
Well done  ;D
You can already tell you like bluebell woods from a 40sec clip?  ;D

I think what would be an fun/informative thing to do is if I post 3 things:
1. My final mix that I sent to the mastering engineer
2. The mastered version
3. My final mix with a limiter slapped on the end to match the loudness of the mastered version (if you play the same song twice, but 1 version is louder, people will invariably pick the louder version as their favourite. So, I kind of want to remove that factor to show/see if you can see what the other effects of pro mastering are)
« Last Edit: January 16, 2012, 11:50:07 PM by Ramshackles »

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2012, 09:07:46 AM »
Yes, do it Ramshackles. It would be really interesting to hear before and after mastering together.
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2012, 10:07:24 AM »
Well here we are, the first track of the EP streamable for a short time :D:
http://soundcloud.com/ramshackles/sets/mastering-shootout/s-QC3QK

The first clip (bluebell Woods Mix) is my final mix
Second (bluebell Woods Master) is the final (well, not quite - there is a pop and the start/end has to be cleaned up, but pretty much) master from Ronan C Murphy
Third is my mix with a limiter slapped on the end to turn up the volume.

To really hear the difference, I suggest skipping to around 2:21 where there is the full band

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« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2012, 10:25:08 AM »
Agree with Tinam on the whole mastering debate - your music was certainly good enough to play to Freinds impress record labels Ramshackles - and if you got signed surley the record company would pay for it?

Agree you should present your music as best as possible but this is getting so micro anyalitic that it's impossible to tell the difference - particularly as its streamed over an Internet connection from a compressed MP3 - if not I am sure my point still makes sense.

To use an anology - We bought these really super duper PC's for my company - all singing all dancing - cost a bomb - but we are limited to then quality and strength of broadband we receive - which basically means we could have bought a PC world special (£299) and it would have performed the same.

As an aside the songs in your EP sond awesome RS - I hope you have badgered some marketing undergraduate to promote your band - seriously your music is good enough - its all marketing now ;D

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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2012, 11:23:37 AM »
Agree with Tinam on the whole mastering debate - your music was certainly good enough to play to Freinds impress record labels Ramshackles - and if you got signed surley the record company would pay for it?

Agree you should present your music as best as possible but this is getting so micro anyalitic that it's impossible to tell the difference - particularly as its streamed over an Internet connection from a compressed MP3 - if not I am sure my point still makes sense.

To use an anology - We bought these really super duper PC's for my company - all singing all dancing - cost a bomb - but we are limited to then quality and strength of broadband we receive - which basically means we could have bought a PC world special (£299) and it would have performed the same.

As an aside the songs in your EP sond awesome RS - I hope you have badgered some marketing undergraduate to promote your band - seriously your music is good enough - its all marketing now ;D

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Yes it's streamed over the internet, but it is a wav file (although I dont know if soundcloud converts them?)
Yes, it's subtle differences but I think they are noticeable over the net - but as I've said, mastering is not for everyone, certainly not if you have no intentions to....whatever - 'get your music out there' or whatever it is called...
But some of the reasons I've gone with mastering are not really to do with the difference between the mastered track vs mixed track:
Heres my reasons:
1. Start with the micro analytic stuff :P It gives the bass frequencies a bit more punch and definition, and the whole thing has a bit more depth and is wide and open - IMO :D
2. The biggest-micro analytic ( ???) difference is when you hear the whole EP. My mixes were all different volumes, and the relative volume between different parts was all different. Doing whatever it is he does, clever Eq'ing, compression, whatever, the whole thing has a coherence it didnt have (again, IMO).
3. Of course, having listened this crap 1 billion times, it's probably easier for me to notice the difference!
4. The thought of my music going through all those expensive toys (heres one of them: http://www.analoguetube.com/mainpage.html - check out the price in the lower right  :o )

But heres the 'bigger' reasons:
1. Get the master CD that can be used for replication and/or vinyl cutting.
1. Actually, based on conversations with the mastering engineer, my mixes underwent a few revisions before being handed over to him. I think this made a huuge difference.
2. A fairly big time engineer made time for us at the weekend to do it at a much lower price. I can't say no to that for a number of reasons. For one thing, its another person that will listen to it and who knows who he might play it to? Another thing is it's a chance to hear a big time engineers' take on things and it's a nice credit to put on the back cover :D
It's really this 'extra ear' that is the big help - having a pro go over everything.

But I agree, when listening for the differences between individual tracks, after taking the loudness away its more than micro analytic!

Unfortunately, I dont know a single marketing student...I dont even know where the business school is :S

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« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2012, 08:50:14 PM »
Hey :)

I listened to all three clips and I liked the middle, or 2nd one best. The vocal seemed to
be a little louder and and sounded more angelic somehow.

Don't know if that helps with what you are doing. I must admit I am getting a little lost now haha, but
I am tring my best to follow because I really want to learn this stuff.
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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2012, 02:23:43 PM »
Mastering is performed to produce the overall EQ or tone tweaking of the final mix.Mastering also allows the utmost maximum volume otherwise your song won't be suitable for radio airplay.

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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2012, 05:39:47 PM »
Abbey Road (they obviously know what they are doing when it comes to mastering) now do an online service where you send a song to them digitally and they send it back mastered. obviously this way you don't get to sit in and direct the process but if you just want on once over to get professional quality then it's a good way to make sure you get it. I did check out prices once and have now forgotten but it's not as high as you might think. worth checking out.  8)

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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2012, 07:13:36 PM »
http://www.abbeyroadonlinemastering.com/
Its very expensive for what it is, compared to other good engineers

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2012, 08:02:41 PM »
How much would you say is a fair price for mastering Ramshackles?
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