Volume fluctuates when recording bass guitar

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Laup

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« on: April 14, 2020, 02:18:40 PM »
Hi

Whenever I record a bass line my volume fluctuates, this is down to my technique and short of becoming a better bass player over night what recording techniques can I use to overcome this? Is there a DI box that I could use that will level out the sound prior to it being recorded on the computer or is there another technique (post or pre production) that I could use?

Many thanks,

Paul


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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2020, 12:52:29 PM »
@Laup - Similar to Pompeyjazz, you might consider a compressor with an upwards leveller, or something like the Waves BAss Rider (which is similar to the Vocal Rider), this automatically chnages the volume to be more constant, by creating an automation lane for the Volume, it's pretty good, and is superb for vocals.

Try and keep your playing (fingering or picking) constant, that'll help enormously, most people have more difficulty in keeping time, rather than the volume of their picking, you're very fortunate.

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2020, 02:03:59 PM »
@Laup

This is VERY common with BASS as variations in how hard you pick the string and natural differences between the "strength" of different notes make the BASS a particularly difficult instrument to get a consistent volume from

I would agree with @cowparsleyman and think you would get the best result from recording the bassline without thinking and just concentrate on the performance and then use AUTOMATION to manually control the volume level of the track to even it out (or use something like the Waves BassRider, which is designed to do this automatically)

@pompeyjazz is also spot on that using a compressor would also be a good option - but to get the most out of compression you really need to understand exactly what is happening or you could end up with a "lifeless" performance with no dynamics - or the compressor could cause the audio to "pump"

Here is a quick run down on understanding compressors I wrote a little while ago that may help you and others:

COMPRESSORS
These do appear a little mysterious but here is a good way to think about them...

All they are is a "second pair of hands" that controls the volume level of a track

Imagine you had an "imaginary mixing assistant" and you wanted them to control the volume of a bass track because some of the notes are really loud and some of the notes are really soft - and in your song you want them to be a little more even, but you still want the loud ones to be "louder" (to provide an accent) and the soft ones to be softer - but more audible

So if you were to ask your imaginary friend to control the volume of this track - what kind of things would you need to tell them?

Let's deal with the loud hits first...

The first thing would be to tell them how loud you want the loud hits - ie exactly which hits are too loud - ie at what level should your imaginary assistant "duck" the volume of the loud bits

In "compressor speak" this is the "threshold" - the level of volume above which the volume is turned down


Your "imaginary friend" would also need to know how much you want the volume turned down for the notes that go above the level you have set (ie the notes above the "threshold")

In "compressor speak" this is called the "ratio", expressed as ##:##

Eg a ratio of 3:1 means that for every 3dB the signal goes above the level you have decided (the threshold) only 1dB will be allowed to pass by the compressor

This is a relatively gentle compression ratio (bearing in mind 1:1 would be no compression) so it should sound quite "gentle"

2:1 is a good ratio to bear in mind as for every 2dB the signal goes above the threshold only 1 dB will be allowed to pass by the compressor - so the dynamic range of anything above the threshold will be halved

A ratio of 12:1 would be a more severe compression and the signal will be reduced by a far greater amount

So the ratio could be described as the "severity" of the compressor


What else would you need to tell your imaginary friend?

How about how quickly you want them to reduce the volume and when you want the volume returned to normal?

The first decision is how quickly you want the hit turned down - eg you may want the very very first bit of the "too loud" note to be its normal volume so it cuts through the mix but you then want the main "weight" of the note turned down (according to the "threshold" and "ratio" settings you have already set)

In "compressor speak" this is called the "attack" setting and it allows you to decide how quickly you want the compressor to "do its thing"


What if our imaginary friend turned the volume down for a particularly loud note but we may want it back to normal in time for the next one - eg in our example the loud note might be quickly followed by a "medium" note that we are happy with so we don't want the compressor to do anything to this one

In "compressor speak" this is the "release" control and it sets the time until the compressor releases its control on the signal and let's it return to normal


The reduction of volume caused by the compressor is called "Gain Reduction"

Most compressors have some kind of gain reduction meter so you see the compressor working so you can see when it is actually working and how much gain reduction is being applied


So let's put all of this together to look at the real life considerations for setting up a compressor for our example, which is:

A bass track with some notes too loud, some notes too quiet and some notes just right (Goldilocks would have loved it!)

We need to set the level at which we "feed" the compressor to determine how hard it needs to work and the level of the signal that the compressor "sees"

In "compressor speak" this is the "input gain"

We then need to set the "threshold" at a level that where the loud notes go over the threshold and the medium (and quiet) ones stay under the threshold so that they are not affected by the compressor

We then need to set the "ratio" control to determine how much the loud notes are pulled back, the "attack time" to decide how quickly the compressor will start to act and the "release" control to ensure the compressor is only reducing the loud notes and not the ones following it (eg even if a medium note was below the threshold, if it quickly followed a loud note the compressor may still be acting on the loud one when the medium one comes along!)

This will have reduced the overall volume of the track because the loud signals are being reduced (eg the high "spikes" on the waveform would have been pulled down)

This then gives us room to turn the whole track up, therefore making the quiet kicks louder

In "compressor speak" this is the "make-up gain"

In the real world this will usually involve juggling the controls and carefully watching the gain reduction meter, to get the desired effect

By reducing the volume of the "loud parts" and increasing the volume of the "quiet parts" you are reducing the dynamic range of your track

This is dangerous as your mind will often interpret "louder" as "better" - especially on an initial listen

However, a heavily compressed track can be really fatiguing ( and boring) to listen to - and of course the artistic nature of a track will be affected by a lack of dynamics

A compressor can also make a mix "pump" if the volume reductions and severe and become noticeable

This can sound really bad - but it is also used as a creative effect - especially if the compressor is controlled by another source - eg a string pad has a compressor on it controlled by the kick drum track - this is called "side chain compression" but we will save that discussion for another day!

Finally, many compressors nowadays have a "mix" control, which effectively allows you to blend the compressed audio with the unprocessed audio in an attempt to get "the best of both worlds" - this is known as "parallel compression" - or "New York Compression" as it was very popular with East Coast producers

The same effect is achieved by using a send on a track to blend the processed track with the unprocessed track

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2020, 06:30:28 PM »
Fear not, Toontracks EZ bass is coming out soon, looks the bizzle,

Yeh I hear ya, not like playing the real deal, but I am in the same camp as Laup, Its a tricky beast to get right.

I intend to mix the grooves with my own mashups to keep it real,

Cheers