Help with improving lyrics to a new song...please!

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« on: February 11, 2018, 11:28:51 AM »
When I lived and worked in Scotland, a new guy joined our firm and he sat next to me in the office. He was 15 years younger than me, newly married and he and his wife were expecting their first child. Over the next few years, Eric and I became friends and thing that struck me about him was what a decent, honest, straightforward man he was. Nothing "flashy" about him, he worked hard, never moaned and did the best for himself and his family. Nothing particularly unusual about that, but he really was one of those guys who you would trust with your life.

He and his wife went on to have another child, and they had the usual challenges of juggling family life, mortgages and all the rest of it.

Anyway, one day Eric came to work with the sad news that his mother had passed away having had a short battle with cancer. Understandably  he was upset, but Eric told me about the effect his mother's death had had on his dad. They had been happily marrried for fourty years, so happily that they still sat on the sofa of an evening, watching TV whilst HOLDING HANDS, even after decades of marriage.

Eric had benefited from a really stable, albeit modest upbringing and I have no doubt his own kids will be equally fortunate. If the world had a few more Erics in it (as well as his mum and and dad), it would be a better place.

I have tried to write a song about it, and I have a strong melody I think. The following words scan and fit the slightly jaunty, up beat light rock rthytym well, but I would love to improve on the lyrics. If any of you clever people have any suggestions, I would be really to know. I don't mind admitting that for me, lyric writing is the hardest part of the whole song creation process. ​

Thanks for taking the time to read this!

Verse 1:               

When they met at school they were just 15 years of age

Childhood sweethearts in every way

And they married at 21                                     

their parents thought "they're way too young", but         

They only wanted what was best for their own

 

Verse 2:           

And there wasn't much money going around

She cut hair, he sold cars searching for higher ground               

They had a little girl and then she had a brother     

They couldn't have hoped for a better dad and mother         

They only wanted what was best for their own



Pre-chorus:

           

Looking back they wondered where the years had gone     

Yet they were filled with love, they're happy in their world



Chorus:



Ordinary lives, extra ordinary people

They may not change the world

But the world would be better filled with their kind

And they still held hands 




Verse 3:

Before they knew it they were gone, the kids were off their hands

They have their own families now

They've lives of their own, but they visit every Sunday

Just like they hoped they would one day

They only wanted what was best for their own



Break:

In old age, just a mile from where they met

Holding hands on the sofa, like 50 years before, how could they ever forget?

























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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2018, 02:58:48 PM »
I had a go using some of your lyrics which are great because they are written from the heart

First love , last love

Met at school , when we just just fifteen
childhood hearts from day one
First love , last love
let's run away forever together

Your far to young they were told
By those that were older than them
First love, last love
I only wanna be with you

Met at school , when we just just fifteen
childhood sweethearts from day one
First love , last love
let's run away forever together

You're only twenty one , it's not all fun
it's so easy to lose your way
she cut hair and i sold cars
We just wanna grow old together

Met at school , when they were fifteen
childhood hearts from day one
First love , last love
let's run away forever together

They were the happiest days of their lives
Little girl , little boy
Filling their hearts with joy

First love , last love
I hope that they meet above one day

Ordinary lives , ordinary people
so much love , tall as a steeple
still holding hands after all these years
together they faced their hopes and fears

Met at school , when we just just fifteen
childhood hearts from day one
First love , last love
let's run away forever together

Just down the road, from where they first met
my lovely parents , I'll never forget

Met at school , when we just just fifteen
childhood hearts from day one
First love , last love
let's run away forever together

happy days , make the saddest memories
mum and dad , mum and dad , mum and dad

I love you xxxxr

« Last Edit: February 11, 2018, 05:15:35 PM by Katie Wilson »

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2018, 03:32:40 PM »
This is the kind of theme I really like a lot. Katie has many ideas that may help you refine your lyric. The meter is quite a bit different, though, so the ideas may not fit the melody you mentioned you already have.

I'd love to take a stab at adding some ideas to the pot, but it would be helpful to me if you could make a demo of the song so I can hear how the words go with the music? When I read it to myself, some of the phrasing sounds awkward, but once in place with the music that might be no longer so.

One thought: you have a stable theme, which (according to Pat Pattison, et al) should be expressed with a stable construction: consistent rhythms, even numbers of lines per verse or chorus, and perfect rhymes. I don't know how reworking your words to come closer to fitting those rules of prosody would work so, again, it would help to hear what you have in the setting you envision.

In any case, I'll be watching this one with interest, as I am partial to this type of theme.

Vicki

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2018, 07:13:40 PM »
Thank you so much Katie and Vicki,  for your input and ideas.

I will put a rough demo together as Vicki suggested. Hopefully it will put my ideas in context.

Bill

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2018, 10:33:12 AM »
Here is a demo:

https://soundcloud.com/bill-saunders/they-still-held-hands-demo/s-IdwsU

It may sound "produced" but it is still very rough! I am only looking for help with lyrics at this stage.

Hopefully it has potential. Thank you very much.

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2018, 05:02:15 PM »
You've done such a good job of "marrying" the words and music, it's hard to imagine the lyric any other way, for the most part. The main spot that could use some work to be stronger, in my opinion, is verse 3. So I put some thought into it.

Before they knew it they were gone, the kids were off their hands, the kids were grown; moved on to live their lives
They have their own families reside in separate worlds now
They've lives They travel paths of their own, but they visit every Sunday
Just like they hoped they would one day
They only wanted what was best for their own

I think the 4th line could be stronger, too, but I haven't thought up any possibilities for it yet. I would look at a list of words rhyming with Sunday and try to find something--not "day"--to use, if possible. Way, stay, play...there are lots and lots of them, but those are three that feel like they could fit with your theme. And I'm sure there are many more.

Feel free to use any of this, if it works for you, or ignore it if it doesn't. I can only hope to be of some assistance. ;D

Vicki

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2018, 07:18:41 PM »
You've done such a good job of "marrying" the words and music, it's hard to imagine the lyric any other way, for the most part.

And therein lies the "problem". I do think the words fit the music, but in presenting it this way, I have almost got a fete accompli. Maybe it would be better if I just told the story and let someone else write the lyrics without any preconceived ideas.

I DO like your suggestions Vicki, and I think they are an improvement. Yes, 4th line is a filler isn't it?

I want to make the chorus as strong as possible, a real feature if you like, as I have ideas for later in the song where the chorus is stripped down to just drums and vocals, before picking up again.

So I thought:

Ordinary lives, extra ordinary people

They may not rule (rather than change) the world

But the world would be better built (rather than filled) with their kind

And they still held hands 


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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2018, 07:27:15 PM »
Can you post the lyrics?

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2018, 07:32:42 PM »
Can you post the lyrics?
Hi Adam - see the first post above. Cheers.

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2018, 07:50:23 PM »
Ah now I see - still not quite used to the new format!

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2018, 08:43:40 PM »
The most beautiful lyrics, set to the most beautiful story.  Everything's written here has warmed my heart!

Paul

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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2018, 09:08:33 PM »
Very nice concept and great true story. What do I remember? Them holding hands on the sofa - that’s the detail that makes it real.

I wonder if it could help to sprinkle in a couple more true-life details to make it memorable and interesting. So maybe not “school” but “form 4” or “Miss Briggs’ class” (scanning, I know...). And he didn’t sell ‘cars’ but ‘Volvos’ or ‘wheels’ or ‘tyres’... etc.

Not to overdo it but a couple of strategic ones could really elevate it I think? Melody, scanning, sonics, mood permitting of course. Truth - optional  😁

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2018, 09:53:22 PM »
Thank you all for your inspiring ideas. Above everything else, you have given me the confidence that I have the makings of a good song here - I thought it was a good idea, but was not convinced the lyrics were doing the idea justice.

I will now work hard on the music to make it the best I can. I may be some time.

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2018, 08:54:36 PM »
Hi,
I just looked at the chorus section and came up with some ideas for you.

Ordinary lives
of extra ordinary people
if only we would live our lives this way...
we have so much to learn...
from these wonderful people
who show us all what true love really is

Johnny :)

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2018, 09:20:02 PM »
Hi,
I just looked at the chorus section and came up with some ideas for you.

Ordinary lives
of extra ordinary people
if only we would live our lives this way...
we have so much to learn...
from these wonderful people
who show us all what true love really is

Johnny :)

Hi Johnny, thanks very much for taking the time to come up with this. Since recording and posting the demo a couple of weeks back, I have been hard at "work" recording a final version. This includes four part harmonies on the chorus, and I honestly am not sure I have the heart to change the words again! I really wanted to get the bit in about still holding hands as that was what originally struck a chord with me.

Thanks again.