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josemar

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« on: March 18, 2017, 09:14:21 PM »
Hi,
I'm a tad confused.

Say if you buy a small mixing desk, like  a Mackie 802 VLZ4
Would you still need an audio interface like a Roland Quad Capture, or is it 'built in' to the mackie?
I plan to run two Yamaha Monitors HS 80 M, and a Yamaha sub woofer.
So would these connect up to the Mackie mixer?
Also would one subwoofer suffice?

thanks,
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2017, 09:44:11 PM »
That MACKIE desk could be used in a studio but it is primarily for live performance

It doesn't look like it is an audio interface at all

If you could describe exactly what you want to record and how we can make sure you get exactly what you want

It is especially important to know how many inputs you would record simultaneously

It could be that a really good audio interface with one or two inputs could be better than a cheaper option with more inputs

A good audio interface should also have the necessary outputs for your speakers

I would also say that with those particular speakers (in a small home studio) you may not need a sub woofer

You would definitely NOT need more than one
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2017, 09:54:57 PM »
Hi Boydie,
Many thanks for your reply.
 I would NOT be recording a band,
I'm more electronic, so like a hard ware synth, i Korg/Jupiter 8, an Alesis compressor, an expander for Vocal recording, recording hand claps, that sort of thing. I just to mess around, just gettin' uset of that sort of thing. Maybe later, get a mate to play a guitar part that sort of thing.
I guess I'd be recording one at a time.
Considering it's electronic, I would like to study bass frequencies, sine waves etc...
I just need to try and get things right, down in the bottom end.

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 04:54:59 PM »
Hi Boydie,
What interface would you recommend? At the moment I use a Roland Quad Capture...it's basic right?

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 08:41:15 PM »
Whats your budget? What mic(s) do you have?

Sounds like you would be recording one track at a time, so a single or dual input interface is more than adequate.
Budget is everything. If you have plenty to spend, I would recommend a separate A/D D/A converter and preamp - RME, Mytek, Benchmark, Lynx or similar converters (or perhaps Burl Audio if you wanna go the 500 series route). I believe they all make converters for as few as 2 inputs. Plus a quality preamp. That would be top end stuff.

A good quality, mid-range all-in-one solution would be something like the Focusrite ISA One, SPL GainStation or Universal Audio Apollo. They are both v. good quality preamps - I have an ISA although without the A/D card and it is a well made piece. A/D is likely to be more than decent enough aswell. Either the focusrite or UA are in the region of £400-500.
There is also the SPL Creon which comes in at a bit cheaper.

Lower range you'd be looking at Focusrite Scarlett, Clarett or similar. There are also a few companies doing small mixers which have onboard conversion; e.g Allen & Heath Zed series. Decent preamps for the price plus a few other nicities of mixers such as monitoring & headphone amps, rudimentary mixing facilities.

In your shoes, I would probably go for something like a UA Apollo if I could afford it. I'd take that over the ISA One as it has two inputs and you might want to do some stereo micing some day...

These are just a tiny drop in the ocean of options...so a budget would really help! Also think about what connection you need - USB, Firewire, Thunderbolt, Ethernet?

Finally...What mic are you plugging into it? If you are using an old dynamic or a Rode NT1A or some other cheap-ish mic, I would say dont bother upgrading your interface. Drop money into the mic first, it will make a much bigger difference.

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2017, 12:07:12 PM »
Hi interesting thread....

(and sorry to temporarily hijack it but....)

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Drop money into the mic first, it will make a much bigger difference.

exactly how much?

a good new vocal mic might be my next purchase

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2017, 12:22:25 PM »
Jumping in on the hijack, me and Boolio are renegades.

I don't know how much for a good mic really, I think the amount is endless depending on n how good you want to go

I think I could do with a better mic myself but to give you something to compare, all my vocals are recorded using an SE x1. I know, sexy name.

It's a condensor, costs around about £100-120 I think.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2017, 01:17:17 PM »
I would say the Se x1 would be considered a "good enough" mic

Essentially a large condenser mic designed for recording vocals and instruments is what you are looking for

My recommendations for good value mics between £80 - £250ish would be:

sE X1A £80
A good entry level mic if your budget is under £100
https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/X1A/condenser-mics/se-electronics-x1a-condenser-microphone

sE X1T £149
This mic has a tube in it to get a classic tube tone - I got the sE 2200T, which has a tube and I love the sound of it
https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/X1T/condenser-mics/se-electronics-x1-t-large-diaphragm-tube-condenser-mic

sE 2200A II £179
This is a great quality mic for the money
https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/SE2200IIC/condenser-mics/se-electronics-se2200a-ii-cardioid-studio-mic

Aston Origin £219
I am hearing some great things about these mics - they look super kewl and are British made
https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/ASTORIGIN/condenser-mics/aston-origin-cardioid-condenser-microphone

Rode NT1 with shock mount and pop shield £255
I really like the "all in" design, especially the pop shield which is ingenious
https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/NT1KIT/condenser-mics/rode-nt1-in-black-w-rycote-shockmount-popshield

Make sure your audio interface can deliver "Phantom Power" for these models (except the tube one, which will come with a power supply)

Also, make sure they come with a shockmount and invest in a sturdy mic stand
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2017, 01:41:34 AM »
Thanks for the info guys

the SE X1T sounds good to me I think I saw one with a reflection filter for £179.00

and I might hook it up to a Focusrite 2i2 gen 2

oh well something else will have to wait!  :) :)
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2017, 11:57:42 AM »
Thanks for the info guys

the SE X1T sounds good to me I think I saw one with a reflection filter for £179.00

and I might hook it up to a Focusrite 2i2 gen 2

oh well something else will have to wait!  :) :)

Its easier to specify your budget than say how much to spend. The difference between e.g. a Neumann TLM 103 or Gefell M930 and Rode NT1-A is significant, and jumping up another price bracket you will notice a difference between TLM 103 and U87ai.
But since you can spend anything from £100-£1000ss on a mic, it is better to set your budget, then see how all mics in that range compare. What will you be using it for, what kind of frequency response do you want (how will it suit your voice).
Also, do you absolutely need a mic now? If you are in a position to save for a few weeks/months and get one that will be a more noticeable improvement on your current setup, then do that. £1500 will get you a top end mic. More than that you are often paying for 'vintage' audiophoolery. You can get a great mic for £800. TLM 103 coming in at £500ish is a v good mic.

I started off with a cheap mic and went for many small improvements (e.g. graduating to an NT1-A) over saving and going for a small number of great stuff. I wish I had done the latter.
Buuuuut it all depends on how much you want to dump into this lark  ;)

And, good music is always good. Bad music still sounds bad on great equipment  ;D

Also...dont get swooned by reflection filters etc being thrown in. A duvet behind the performer will make a bigger difference  ;D