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Competitions / Re: The "Get Shorty" Contest - Results Are In!!
« Last post by CaliaMoko on Yesterday at 11:43:51 PM »
I enjoyed this challenge very much!

Congratulations to the
Cream of the Crop!
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The Bar / Re: ? about providing proper credit
« Last post by CaliaMoko on Yesterday at 11:36:32 PM »
Thanks again for all the [continued] responses. It all helps. I have most of the songs ready for an album and will be using this information to assign proper credit to the people (besides me) involved.
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Lyrics / Re: Need a little help on a direction for a lyric.
« Last post by hardtwistmusic on Yesterday at 10:59:35 PM »
Did you abandon this lyric?

Yes, I pretty much did.  Inspiration might strike in the future, but as of now, it's dead.  It'll probably be "parted out" and used for other songs.
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The Bar / Re: The undisputed. Can we make a list?
« Last post by hardtwistmusic on Yesterday at 10:45:10 PM »
Billy Joel
Van Morrison

Not sure about Billy
Disputable

They're ALL "disputable." 

Note that no one has (yet) mentioned Bob Dylan.  (Actually, one person did.)  Or Elton John?  (Again one person named him)  Or Holland, Dozier and Holland -- with hundreds of Motown hits.  Hank Williams? 
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The Bar / Re: ? about providing proper credit
« Last post by hardtwistmusic on Yesterday at 10:43:05 PM »
There are two things that might be involved when you talk about "credits."   Authorship, and Ownership.  Authorship is easy.  Everyone who participates is entitled to be listed as an "author," no matter how big or small the contribution is. 

Someone can elect to "opt out" of authorship, and people do so for a variety of reasons.  But someone who does not contribute to actually writing cannot "opt into" or be "invited into" authorship.  It is an ethical and legal problem for someone to claim contributions he/she did not make. 

Authorship is related to, but distinct from Ownership and it (ownership) is almost entirely dependent upon what AGREEMENT was in place when the song was written.  Deciding who is most responsible for the song BEFORE IT IS WRITTEN is vital if you want to avoid arguments. 

In the absence of an agreement, all authors are (equal) co-owners under the law.  That isn't strictly and rigidly true, but it is the starting point for ascertaining ownership.  Point being, it makes no sense to NOT have an agreement in place about whose contribution is primary, secondary, and/or minor.  And, it makes no sense to NOT have an agreement in place about who (based upon contributions) will own what percent of the completed song. 

When I collaborate, I have a standard formula I use that is agreed to, and in place before the collaboration begins. 

11% of a song belongs to the "initiator" of the song.  In the case you cite, the person who wrote the music that your lyric is based upon is the "initiator." 

27% of the song belongs to the person who writes the vocal melody.  (the "tune" that the words are sung to.) 
28% of the song belongs to the person who writes the instrumental music. 
28% of the song belongs to the person who writes the lyrics. 
6% of the song belongs to the person who will be responsible for marketing the song. 

This formula works with ONE co-writer.  Multiple co-writers need to tweak this. 

Note that I avoid "round numbers."   That is so one person controls at least 51% of the ownership of the song.  This guarantees that one person can market the song without interference from the other(s).   An agreement by all concerned to NOT interfere with marketing alleviates that need. 

This is my understanding of the law in the U.S.  It might be wrong.  It might be different elsewhere.  Hope this helped.
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Collaborations / Re: Lyricist For Hire (So To Speak)
« Last post by hardtwistmusic on Yesterday at 10:20:00 PM »
Actually, it is the program (or the version I have) in that it only allows for one line of lyrics as opposed to multiple lines (so if your "repeating" a verse you can use the lyrics editor for the first one only. You have to faff about with the "text" option to create further lines and matching those up is a royal pain in the jacksie!).

Speaking of which, I've been looking on-and-off at one of your songs. It's the only one that really jumped out at me as a lyricist (as in I heard it and immediately some lyrics sprang to mind). It's bloody frustrating though! Every time I come to take another crack I find my mind wants to take the tune elsewhere than it is (I'm not writing the lyrics with the song playing because that was too annoying keep stopping and starting again). So I find myself writing lyrics to that and when I come to sing them back to the actual tune it's like I've gone all schizo and am listening to two songs at the same time!

It's the Jessica one, by the way.

Sorry to take so long to respond. 
YOU WROTE:   Actually, it is the program (or the version I have) in that it only allows for one line of lyrics as opposed to multiple lines (so if your "repeating" a verse you can use the lyrics editor for the first one only. You have to faff about with the "text" option to create further lines and matching those up is a royal pain in the jacksie!).

Okay:  I recommend a better notation software then.  A free one (might be the one you are using) is "Anvil."   Mine is called  "Notation Composer."  It isn't the best, or worst available, but it IS the one that I can help you to learn.  That is a big advantage.  It costs about $75.00.   

YOU WROTE:   Speaking of which, I've been looking on-and-off at one of your songs. It's the only one that really jumped out at me as a lyricist (as in I heard it and immediately some lyrics sprang to mind). It's bloody frustrating though! Every time I come to take another crack I find my mind wants to take the tune elsewhere than it is (I'm not writing the lyrics with the song playing because that was too annoying keep stopping and starting again). So I find myself writing lyrics to that and when I come to sing them back to the actual tune it's like I've gone all schizo and am listening to two songs at the same time!

It's the Jessica one, by the way.

MY RESPONSE:  That is a bit of music I wrote for Jessica Bachand.  You can look her up on Reverbnation.  Nice, talented girl.  She can use the listens. 

As for you mind "wanting to take the tune elsewhere than it is,"  BOY DO I UNDERSTAND THAT.  Let's see if I can pin down why that is. 

For you (as for most of us) writing songs is an "itch that demands to be scratched."  You could no more "not write songs" than you could quit breathing.  AND. . . the "itch that demands to be scratched is not "satisfyingly scratched" by just writing lyrics. 

I could tell by reading your lyrics that you have at least parts of tunes in mind when you write.  Multiple people (here and elsewhere) have told me that all writing of songs/music begins with "snippets" of songs/music.  That is usually true of lyrics AND music.  Building upon those "snippets" IS "songwriting." 

Because you have pre-conceived notions of where the music can/should go (not a bad thing btw) it's hard for you to take it another direction.  You have musical directions for your lyrics inside you, and will not be satisfied following a direction other than those.  (again, that's a GOOD thing.)  You might (or might not) be aware that you have these musical directions inside you.  But I will all-but-guarantee you that they are there. 

Because you DO have these pre-conceived notions of where the music can/should go, that direction(s) become(s) a part of the "itch that demands to be scratched." 

I do not recommend ignoring that itch.  I recommend finding a way to express your musical ideas for your lyrics.  I can help with suggested software solutions to being able to do this.  One of them is the "better notation software" that would allow you to literally "take the music the direction YOU want it to go." 

Another is a now defunct software called "M.S. Songsmith."  If you can get a working copy, it functions as a chord generator providing compatible chords for vocal melodies that you provide.  It is hard to find, and might not work on anything newer than Windows 7.  If you find a viable copy, let me know.  I'm looking for one too.  I have one on my old computer, but don't still  have the load codes, and need it for my newer computer.  When it was available from Microsoft, it was $30.00.   If you can even find a place to get a "load code" we can find a way to get you that software. 

There are other free online sources to write piano music.  I could search my old messages here and find out the name of some of them if you'd like. 

Anyway, best of luck, and let me know if there is any way I can help. 

 
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Feedback on Finished songs / Re: Skin
« Last post by LostBoy on Yesterday at 10:16:59 PM »
Hey dude! Sounds fab! U sound quite “Biffy Clyro” on this which is cool! Best of luck at the gig. Great opener.
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Feedback on Finished songs / Re: Tennesse Starlight
« Last post by LostBoy on Yesterday at 10:11:14 PM »
Hey Tom, I love me some country, I also love that you didn’t try to sing with a twang.  :D It’s a lovely song with some lovely imagery. The music sounds lovely and you sound great.

My concern is that it took too long for me to get into it. I think you need the bare bones start for sure, but Imho I don’t think you need that first chorus, OR..you need to dress that first chorus up a little more. I gave this a few listens mate...I was trying to figure out if you could sing the first verse, then have a 2 or 4 bar instrumental bit and then straight into the second verse as you have it now...does that make sense? It’s just an idea of course and might sound naff, but, again, in my humble opinion, the back end of this song deserves a better first minute.

Sorry if that’s a bit blunt mate, just trying to help.  :D You know I come in peace!!🎶👊🏻🎶😄
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Collaborations / Re: Lyricist needed
« Last post by hardtwistmusic on Yesterday at 10:02:07 PM »
Any number of lyricists here could do what you want.  BUT.... the process by which you advertise, and lyricists line up to present their "wares" for you to accept or reject is one that has never worked for any lyricist here EVER. 

If you want to find a lyricist who provides the kind of lyrics you are looking for, you will INVEST some time into reading past posts and seeing what lyrics you actually like. 

If you are unwilling to INVEST that time, I wouldn't be willing to work with you.  And, I predict that anyone who IS willing to work with you on that basis will be rejected by you.  As I said, this has never worked out when done this way.  INVEST in reading lyrics, or accept that it won't work out. 
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Competitions / Re: The "Get Shorty" Contest - Results Are In!!
« Last post by Bill Saunders on Yesterday at 09:09:12 PM »
Although I didn’t enter, I enjoyed these songs so much and I honestly think I could listen to an album’s worth of one-minute wonders. I couldn’t write 40 or 50 one minute songs though - I find it’s hard enough coming up with song ideas, and when I do, I need to do it justice for three or four minutes at least! Now, there are some very prolific writers on the forum - how about an album’s worth chaps?! You know who you are!!
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