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Songwriter Forum => Competitions => Topic started by: mihkay on April 20, 2012, 01:41:40 PM
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Lyricist / Instrumentalist......Ballot Pairs Competition
Right then. Firstly I wish to say that if you want to put music to anyone's lyrics or have someone put music to your lyrics you can do so at any time. Your choice, all it takes is a PM asking nicely. :)
The purpose of this competition is to allow anyone who is interested a chance to try out working as a one-off song-writing team with no commitments or embarrassment.
In order to do this I suggest a ballot. A random pairing of a lyricist with an instrumentalist.
There are a couple of you old-hands out there that already do collaborate to great effect and hopefully you'll join in too. You never know there may be a Lennon / McCartny, Leiber / Stoller or Goffin / King out there in forum-land!
So to the RULES.
As the is the first competition here that requires not working alone, the rules are here in order to stop egos and flame wars and allow what are essentially amateurs an unpressurised environment in which to work, although active collaboration is the ideal.
So just to keep everybody relaxed and hopefully answer a few questions here's some legalese...
AND REMEMBER THIS IS JUST A BIT OF FUN.
AFTER THE BALLOT DRAW.....
1. Either party may withdraw consent at any time. For any reason without prejudice. In other words, no excuse required just a PM to the returning officer. i.e. ME!
2. The Lyrics must not be altered in any way unless by prior agreement by the Lyricist. Alterations to lyrics are not a problem but I don't think wholesale changes would be in the spirit of the competition.
3. The lyricist agrees that they might not be asked for further input into the song. I hope this is not the case but this is here to stop the instrumentalist being overwhelmed with requests for changes.
4. The song will not be posted to the forum with out the agreement of both parties.
5. Each party retain the rights to their work. I suggest you release any joint work under a Creative Commons licence.
6. As per usual....when voting time comes you can't vote for your own song.
BEFORE THE DRAW
1. Contestants may enter in both Lyricist and Instrumentalist categories.
2. Lyricists can enter more than one lyric so that in the event of there being more Instrumentalists than Lyricists the second entries can be used.
3, Instrumentalist, please state if you are willing to do more than one lyric so that in the event of there being more Lyricists than musicians, all entrants can be given a chance.
4. Entry is purely voluntary as there is no actual prize except the adulation of your fellows.
So if you're interested. A PM to me with......
Lyricists :- A list of song titles in the order they should be entered and where the lyrics can be found.
Instrumentalists :- Just whether you are willing to take on more than one entry if required.
AND FINALLY
You're just going to have to trust me on the draw, which if there is enough interest will happen and be posted on the evening of Friday 27th April.
As has been pointed out to me, this does require probably much back and forth so I've extended the end date.
Song entries will close 2359hrs on Sunday 24th June. That gives nearly two months for creativity.
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I like this a lot, and want to join and i accept all the rules, but i have one request
i am one of these slow songwriters...i am not like the Kaflas and Tinams of this world, and i don't want to dissapoint the lyricist... but i need something like two months to be sure i can deliver the song in full....
now since this is a collaboration with suggestions and versions going back and forth, could it perhaps be allowed have such a long period to come to the end product...
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As a budding lyricist I think this is a fantastic idea
my only concern is a complete clash of genres?
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DB. I understand your requirement. Quite willing to extend if required. Just though 1 month would keep the interest level up. Also there is nothing to stop you working on the song after the comp end date.
SP. Yes there might be a couple of "Train Wreck" pairings, but I hate the idea of "genres" so I'm willing to give it a try. ;) And if nothing else we will find out who actually enjoys it and is willing to collaborate in future.
Also, this is only a bit of fun to encourage the idea of collaboration and let some of us try it out and possibly give an excuse to get out of our comfort zone (I write lyrics to go with my tunes so working the other way around will be new to me).
Many of us are lone writers, both lyricists and instrumentalists and I hope that even if it's only rough sketches that come out of this competition the legacy will be that we will all be more confident about, and more likely to collaborate in the future. Without the need for a competition.
If you think of this competition as an ice breaking exercise, rather than a search for the perfect song, I think we'll have it just about right.. ;D
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Count me in ;D
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sign me up.
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i am not afraid for a clash of genres
cause i only see all these beautiful lyrics, so no problem for me ::)
but i also hope the lyricists can enjoy the different version of their song
even if it would be a Europop synthesizer song ;D
that is what holds us back, the idea of genres being so very diffferent
we all want good music
we want emotion
yeah, let the games begin
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I think to avoid the 'clash of genres' the lyricist would be best off entering a set of lyrics they don't mind being out of their usual genre or a piece they consider 'genreless'
Given that the 'genre' is essentially decided by whatever the Instrumentalist decides to do with it the Lyricist would do well to facilitate that. It's hard to argue 'these are rock lyrics' when it's only a set of lyrics.
Of course, there are obvious exceptions (like in Rap, Hip Hop and Prog lyrics)
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I would like to throw my hat into the ring as well please.
I am a little concerned though as I am going away for two weeks from the middle of May - so will have to focus!
BTB
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I would like to throw my hat into the ring as well please.
I am a little concerned though as I am going away for two weeks from the middle of May - so will have to focus!
BTB
To help and take some pressure off I'm extending the closing date a bit.
Also, which hat is your name going into?
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you certainly have me convinced now, and i just send you an e-mail
about potential competitions....(sorry, bit off topic) what about a competition for funeral songs..that could be jolly
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great idea, I am getting exited allready, it all sounds positive and forward thinking, Thanks.
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Hey everyone.
I'll take part. I'll put myself in on the intrumentalist side :)
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I'd love to take part, but I dont really have the time or ideas to start writing and recording anything else at the moment...least not til closer til the date anyways!
However....I did think of something I could do that would be fun and could give another cool slant to the competition.
I'd happily mix everyones entries for them. (Dont confuse that with 'producing'). Some ideas why I think this would be cool:
1. Your songs can be mixed on some cool gear (apologies if your gear is much cooler :P), on proper monitors. (and in a vaguely treated room).
2. I think it would put peoples stuff on a similar setting sound-quality wise. Even though these are songwriting competitions, its hard not to let sound quality play a role in peoples final judgement IMO. Obviously there might be discrepancies between the quality of the actual recording, but I'd do my best to work with it...
3. It will be fun...
I leave it up to you guys to decide....
If you want to know/have any worries about what mixing entails and how I might be ruining your tracks, I can post a little about it. If you want to know exactly what equipment I'll be using, I can post that too...
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I would like to throw my hat into the ring as well please.
I am a little concerned though as I am going away for two weeks from the middle of May - so will have to focus!
BTB
oh yes good question - making the tune bit please - can't write lyrics for toffees. BTB
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Just an update..... and a thank you to all the upstanding forumites who have come forward so far to step into the unknown. :o ;D
I think that Ramshackles offer to mix all the entries is an incentive in itself. I recommend a listen to the EP. Available free to all here too... A bargain! :o 8)
We may end up with a UK Songwriters Forum Album for sale soon....!!! :P ;D
Volunteers so far:-
Lyricists.
The Corsair: Sellon: Soul Punk: Melfen: Tinam: Mr Chainsaw, QuietRamen, Peppermint.
Instrumentalists
Kafla: Dutchbeat: Schavuitje: Beware this Boy: Mr Chainsaw, Flossie, Chipchase, Tinam.
BTW. If you're name is here and not supposed to be or in the wrong category ...PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
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Just a gentle reminder. ;)
You have until 8pm London time on Friday to put your name forward.
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My names not on the list above? Although i did recieve your PM. :)
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My names not on the list above? Although i did recieve your PM. :)
Updated the list and you are definitely in. :)
We have at the moment 8 competitors in each category, nicely balanced....but there is still time for more entries.
Last chance to enter 8pm London time Friday 27th April.
Volunteers so far:-
Lyricists.
The Corsair: Sellon: Soul Punk: Melfen: Tinam: Mr Chainsaw, QuietRamen, Peppermint.
Instrumentalists
Kafla: Dutchbeat: Schavuitje: Beware this Boy: Mr Chainsaw, Flossie, Chipchase, Tinam.
BTW. If you're name is here and not supposed to be or in the wrong category ...PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
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aahhh, the suspense....
you are going to let us know tonight which pairs have been selected by faith
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I hope we find out tonight too :)
The suspense is killing me also.
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Looks like you`ve got 8 and 8...if you`ve got an odd number.and need a lyricist, i may be tempted..
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Hey, Songsthatcry
i am pretty sure you can sign in
you have about an hour and 15 minutes left at this moment
it doesn't have to be even...at all
so sign in!
last chance
just Join!
Mihkay can handle the procedure, and will let us all know
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The ballot will be held this evening. ;D
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feel bad about not taking part but the head is elsewhere or im just spineless..
but wish you all the best of luck
may you find that bridge...
nooms
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ENTRIES ARE NOW CLOSED.
PAIRINGS WILL FOLLOW SOON.
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We had 10 Lyricist and only 8 Instrumentalists entering. So I hope nobody objects to myself filling in one spare instrumentalist slot?
I totally understand if anyone does and I will step down and hand the baton over to Flossie, who was the only instrumentalist to say that they could do more than one and is already doing two.
Here is the draw. (With the song to be used where one was supplied)
Instrumentalist - Lyricist - Song Title
Flossie --------------------QuietRamen TBD
Dutchbeat ---------------- Sellon TBD
Chipchase ----------------Mr Chainsaw TBD
Tinam --------------------- Peppermint When We Were Young
Mihkay ------------------- SongsThatCry TBD
Mr Chainsaw ------------ The Corsair An Underdog Story
Kafla --------------------- Tinam TBD
Schavuitje --------------- Soul Punk Pale White Ghost
Bewarethisboy --------- Melfen The One.
Flossie ------------------- Caifx004 TBD
I will PM everyone individually in the morning.
GOOD LUCK EVERYONE AND ENJOY YOURSELVES. REMEMBER, THERE IS NO FAILURE. ANYTHING THAT COMES FROM THIS IS A BONUS.
The rules are in the first post of this thread and I'd recommend that any completed works are posted in the Reviews section with the prefix "PAIRSCOMP"
You have two months. Entries should be in by 11pm London time on 29th June. Ladies.....Gentlemen start your entries.
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i am very happy, i hope Sellon is not too dissapointed
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DB and Sellon? Good lord, Chainsaw, we have our work cut out for us :D
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I'm sure that me and Tinam are going to be a great team. :)
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man I'm not disappointed at all, seems like this will be good, and haha corsair, you know, I could say the same thing.
Umm so how are we gonna do this? im kinda confused about it
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Never mind Corsair...Sellon, which lyrics you want
i have read many lyrics from you, and they all look very fine to me
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Haha, awesome! You guys might as well through the towel in now before me and corsair bloody yo up!
Err...same also goes for me and chipchase, obviously
Peter
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Errr no Mihkay, u go for your life there will be
no offer of extra help no complaints from me I really don't think I can handle a foursome! (http://www.pic4ever.com/images/grouphug.gif)
Well I'm gonna be busy then! Looking forward to working with QuietRamen and Caifx004!
(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/122fs329172.gif)(http://www.pic4ever.com/images/chase.gif)
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OK....... Can open.............Worms everywhere................... :o ??? ;D
It's alive! 8)
OK everyone .... You have a licence to experiment. :)
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well...you could pick one that you like, or...I could make a new one.
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Very pleased with my partner :) ;D
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Very pleased with my partner :) ;D
Aw shucks!!
yeah quite spooky really!
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The offer to mix all songs still stands (more than stands as there are not tooo many entries). Just message me if you want to take advantage of it...
Mixing is not producing so I wont screw around with your precious recordings :D Nothing added, taken away or shuffled around. Just mixed :D
I just finished building the master section of our console and it needs trying out :D
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Good luck everyone
I am too busy with other stuff at the moment so couldn't get involved but am willing to be a substitute for lyrics or music if anyone drops out
I can't wait to listen to the fantastic tracks these partnerships are going to produce
Good luck guys and gals!
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Wow, I'm actually really looking forward to what comes out of this. We've got some very interesting pairings...
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BEAT IT
Standing, I’m taller, I’m happy,
I feel like touching the sky,
I’m moving on smooth road,
I’m running on heavens cloud,
I’m fighting, I’m jiving, I’m chilling,
no tears, no sorrow, no crying,
I can sing it loud for you to hear,
I haven’t lost my voice, my will, my faith,
I know I’m still growing stronger,
Chorus- yeh I can feel it life is in my veins,
I will stand for any times,
I still got my strength to beat it.
All rise, lift your hands to the sky,
don’t feel so shy,
lets do this together,
we gonna live it, like it, love it,
Mr DJ play on the music and
bring the tempo back home,
and I want you all to say,
Chorus- yeh we can feel it life is in our veins,
will stand for any times,
we still got the strength to beat it.
we gonna jive till the break of dawn,
dancing all night long,
grooving till morning comes,
as we rise to take chances,
making our dreams a reality,
chorus- coz we can feel it life is in our veins,
will stand for any times,
we still got the strength to beat it.
SKINNY
I slide down for a while
Then the smelly cockroaches get anxious,
Then when the sound picks up the rhythm I robot back,
I be the impression ,
The girl with a fire,
Chorus-soon I`ll have them burning in my bombshell,
I`ll suck them (skinny*2,
I'll have them dancing in my bombshell.
I lay down for a while
They play me dead,
Then when the beat starts to craft
I get up and stand,
I be the talk,
The girl with a fire,
Chorus-soon I`ll have them burning in my bombshell,
I`ll suck them (skinny*2,
I`ll have them dancing in my bombshell.
Yeh I know I can climb up to the height
And make it to the peak,
Nothing can put me down,
All this talk is just a way to get me giving up,
But I wont let words rule my world,
Every time I rise back
I be the impression,
The girl with a fire,
Chorus-soon I`ll have them burning in my bombshell,
I`ll suck them (skinny*2,
I`ll have them dancing in my bombshell.
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That's still not how you enter and pairs have been finalised already... Please stop posting this same set of lyrics where it shouldn't be, it's cluttering up these threads.
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Slight problem,
Tinam seems to have left the forum for good and I no longer have a partner to work with :'(
With this being the case i would like to withdraw myself from the competition.
Peppermint
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Slight problem,
Tinam seems to have left the forum for good and I no longer have a partner to work with :'(
With this being the case i would like to withdraw myself from the competition.
Peppermint
Maybe she will come back, so i would still work on whatever your doing...come to think about , another 2 contestants have left/said their leaving..so it might called off ?
Have you completed your lyrics..btw
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Tinam has returned so we are back in the competiton :)
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so where are all the other entries then? or have me & peppermint scared off evryone else....mind you i havent seen any sign of him lately either
or are you all having trouble working together & whos actualy left in this competiiton anyway
compititions just fall apart when they go on to long
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so where are all the other entries then? or have me & peppermint scared off evryone else....mind you i havent seen any sign of him lately either
or are you all having trouble working together & whos actualy left in this competiiton anyway
compititions just fall apart when they go on to long
Mihkays working on our song..but busy with other things....i assumed Peppermint was female!don`t know why.
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I'm still waiting to hear back from Mr Chainsaw, but he has done some work on it musically.
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so where are all the other entries then? or have me & peppermint scared off evryone else....mind you i havent seen any sign of him lately either
or are you all having trouble working together & whos actualy left in this competiiton anyway
compititions just fall apart when they go on to long
I have my lyrics and hope to get back to melfen with a rough in the next week or so - gulp. BTB
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I am finalizing my mix ofmusic with lyrics from Sellon
i am considering some visual / video additions
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Mihkay as sent me a rough draft that is going to be finished hopefully in a week or so..and it sounds flipping good...(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/war/thanks-soldier.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/soldier-emoticon-459.html)
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I'm still around just been very busy with work :).
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this compitition started on 27 th april & its now the 20th of june & we only have 2 entries completed
we must never let compititions go on this long in future its ridiculous
& i m going to say again that since weve got this hidden away compititions section it doesnt get any attention & nobody notices it & evrybody forgets about it............bad idea!
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I don't think having it separate is causing the slowness or stopping it from being noticed. We all know it's here and how to get to it...
I think the slowness is mainly from having groups working together in completely different timezones etc and not doing anything face-to-face.
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Mihkay should have finished ours by the weekend......2 months is to long.
I think your right Corsair....making up a tune for lyrics that might be alien to your usual style..might be harder than it seems..i do`nt know....I was able to send a short demo to mihkay of my song...i think there was enough for him to be getting on with,,,gave some frame work to work on.....
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I think the set up works nicely; this board for the admin side, but the final songs being posted on the main board. A good balance so everyone see the results :-)
And yes when this comp was started I did think it would take some time due to the collab nature
I look forward to hearing more entires :-)
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no thats not what i meant
lots of people have dropped out & becos its stuck here all the new & part time members have not seen it & taken those peoples places
the compititions had a very low profile & not got any attentoin
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OK chaps.
COMPETITION ENTRIES END 11pm on FRIDAY 29th JULY.
Soon after that I'll post the list of entries and links to the songs in one area.
SO FAR THE ENTRIES ARE:-
Don't Wait by Sellon & Dutchbeat
Boy Number 5 by Flossie & Tinam
When We Were Young by Tinam & Peppermint
The Great Unknown by Songsthatcry & Mihkay
Please correct me if I've missed anyone out and I haven't actually listened to any yet. Going to listen to them all in one hit after the deadline. :)
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Thanks Mihkay. I have put something together on this that involved doing a bit of an edit on the lyric written by Melfen and have been trying to get in touch with her since then for her thoughts (to make sure she was okay with everything) but have not heard back. Could well be I am pushing the wrong button - so that being the case Melfen PM me and I will send you a copy for comments. I guess if I don't hear from her I should just post anyway??? BTB
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I haven't heard anything from Mr Chainsaw either. We have the first 'draft' as it were so I may post that if he doesn't swoop in to save the day with something new.
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Kaf and I are yet to post our effort too! ;D
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FINAL WARNING! ;D
THIS COMPLETION ENDS TONIGHT AT 2300hrs LONDON TIME.