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Title: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: cowparsleyman on January 08, 2020, 01:00:57 PM
Hi All

This idea came to me again on a Sunday morning lying in bed, I was wondering what to try next, and this idea came up, I just wanted something to happen that never took place, a rather special live gig, and a bootleg recording of that night, rather lo fi, warts an all type thing...I know it's 8:04 mins so a big thanks up front for listening...

...it's cold in your bedroom, it's December 17th 1969, the day before your 16th birthday, and you think you are coming down with a cold, your best mate Harry has brought you a huge poster of your hero Jimi Hendrix, He's wearing his Hussar jacket and his hair is as wild as his playing, you chat all night listening to his wonderful playing on your Mums teak effect stereogram.

You say night night to Harry and climb into bed way too late, feel under your pillow and find an envelope, your too tired to look at it properly, but it's a Deep Purple Gig in Newcastle City Hall, your a bit dissappointed, you're not really into them, but you'll give a rock concert a try.

You go and kind of get into the vibe, although it's VERY loud,  when halfway through one of the seemingly never ending instrumentals something happens that you'll never forget....

There was a rumour that someone made a bootleg recording of that gig, it didn't surface until now....

Enjoy...

Credits
CPM - all instruments, arrangement, mixing and production, headaches, broken strings, blown speakers, patchouli oil, Loons with a triangle of red material sewn in by your Mum, splitting headache in the morning...


Anyway here it is, Gloves Off please...Might well go into the 'Genre Jumping Vol2' as Vol 1 will be released soon as an Album.

Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Paulski on January 10, 2020, 02:15:49 AM
sweeeeeeeeeeeet!!
Glad I got in that time capsule to the sixties - bell bottom pants and platform shoes and all.Thanks for sharing the bootleg - hope you don't get into any trouble having it  ;D ;D

Paul
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Bostonfan2 on January 10, 2020, 03:19:49 AM
Ok gloves off....You nailed the vibe and feel of what could have been, well played
& Arranged ! Sounds just as it should, Fantastic job :)
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: shadowfax on January 10, 2020, 09:16:34 AM
Waddya mean this never happened? :o 8) ::) :P..I was there mate and it was awesome..you've captured the night perfectly... ;D ;D 8) 8)
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Neil C on January 10, 2020, 11:40:39 AM
Well you’ve absolutely nailed it, with modern production quality.
Loved the crowd in there and a good bit of zep in there too.
8 mins is about right for the era :-)
Great guitar playing and some lovely bubbling bass
Just needed a screaming vocalist!
:-)
Neil
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Jamie on January 10, 2020, 05:27:39 PM
Hi, brilliant .love it,great idea, captured the feel. Deep Purple are the loudest band I ever heard. Great playing and I too got a touch of Led Zeppelin in there.
Brilliant production and playing.
Excellent!

Cheers
Jamie


Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: PaulyX on January 10, 2020, 08:51:00 PM
Yeaaaah mate, that was 2 rather exceptional tribute acts for the price of one.
In fact  make that 3... I'm pretty sure John Bonham did a turn on the drums too at a few points.
I always love the very well developed back stories you have for your songs.  No idea how you come up with them, but they transport me to the vibe you are creating for sure.
Loved this, it is beyond critique, no surprise the crowd were going batshit for it throughout.
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: montydog on January 11, 2020, 01:55:26 PM
Hey CPM,

What a blinder! How to make a track sound like Deep Purple without copyright infringement! Superb musicianship and production. It is a little long if I'm being brutally honest but you can't have too much of a good thing.

M
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Bill Saunders on January 12, 2020, 09:02:26 AM
Astounding work! I wish I had 10% of your imagination. And I execution is really, really amazing, it must have taken so long to do this. Your guitar playing is top notch and your use of effects to get it to sound like a bootleg shows real expertise. Like someone else said, you could have borrowed Ian Gillan or someone to add some high pitched screams!

I am in awe Mr CPM.
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: cowparsleyman on January 12, 2020, 10:43:34 AM
Really appreciate the feedback, it's always gives me such a huge confidence boost to know that other songwriters dig my work, thanks very much indeed.

The thing is I'm not really a heavy rock fan at all, I was never into Purple, or Zep (Michael Tadman who sat next to me in Biology was mad on them), in fact I have only heard 'Stairway' and 'Smoke' and nothing else, I was, however, more into Jimi, I loved the way he ripped everything apart, a black guitarist with 2 posh white blokes, a 3 piece, no rhytmn guitar, the way he used his left fretting hand thumb...and of course his lyrics and that voice....so soft, not like screams of AC/DC or Zeppelin.

I was partly inspired to do this by the intrigue of tecnically how to capture a live gig, and partly by the somewhat surprising response to 'Woolway', I honestly didn't you it would go down too well here.

From a technical angle this song was indeed a challenge, The drum programming (fxpansion BFD3) was quite difficult (I could never play like that!) especially the fills (I was always a sucker for triplet fills), I also wanted to make it sound convincing as a live gig, didn't want to be too slick, a few mistakes here and there...

@Paulski (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19241) - No knocks on the door yet, would you like a copy? only nineteen shillings and sixpence.

@Bostonfan2 (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22448) - Cheers man, yeah I would have given anything to see Jimi (My boss at work saw him..), might do another 'gig that has never been' any ideas?

@shadowfax (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20024) - Honestly, was there a Purple/Hendrix gig?, really? When was it? I 'll have to google that....

@Neil C (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=18856) - Thanks, I 'spose a screaming vocalist would fit, I'll put my feelers out to a few on the forum...How about you Neil, you'd be welcome.

@Jamie (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19125) - Thanks, I honestly didn't make any attempt to sound like Zep, as I don't really know any of their stuff, so that was completely by chance Jamie, which bits sound like Zep?, so I can at least be aware of the sound.

@PaulyX (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21034) - Glad you like the backstory, I enjoy writing them, to me they are as much of the experience (no pun intended) as the music...The crowd was one area thet I was particularly unhappy with, in fact there are 3 crowd samples, 2 were free downloads from a fx site, and the 3rd was part of Hendrix in the West (recorded from my phone directly inot my mic!) intro to the band on God save the Queen, I can alwys hear the differences, and it still bothers me, so glad they didn't put people off, I know now you'll be listening out for them... 8).

@montydog (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=18653) - Hi Monty, lovely to hear from you...I thought it was a tad short in places  8), I did wonder about making some of the Hendrix numbers a bit longer...felt a shame to stop on 'Red House'. Glad you liked it.

@Bill Saunders (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=18525) - Blimey you're too kind, I just love playing, and making music...it was done over a 5 week (period just before Christmas, I'll explain how the sounds were achieved, maybe it'll help others here. Slowish bpm, although live gigs are usually faster than albums, due to nervous energy, and the fact that the songs are so well rehearsed by then that they are just easier to play faster.

Organ is an Arturia V collection 7 Hammond B3
Piano is a just a std piano from my Korg N5ex synth
Drums were BFD3 heavy kit which I customised (there are 2 snares) and re tuned, there was a bit com ACME XLA3 compression and Soundtoys Decaptitor (marvellous thing that is in small doses) on the drum buss.
Bass Yamaha RGX 350 though an Amplitude Ampeg Sim

Amp sims - Purple bit = Strat & Waves PRS Supermodels Archon and Dallas, Purple Solo = Yamaha SG 1000 & Amplitude 4 Mesa Boogie Triple rectifier, Hendrix Bit = Strat (Fender fat 50's pickups, selected in neck position)- plugin alliance bx_rockrack 800 clean channel, just pushed, used automation to change the level of the gain when he starts the solo, did try to use a Amplitude 4 Wah fx but that didn't convince me at all!

I tried a few amp sims to get the Hendrix sound right, and I was completely surprised that the PluginAlliance (UAD) won the day. I would have expected the Amplitude to be more suitable, as a result it went up in my estimation quite a bit.

On the Master buss there was smidgen of bx_townhouse compressor, then Elysia Museq M/S EQ, just sparkling up the sides a tiny bit, and trying to keep the bass fequencies focussed in the middle, Lexicon MPX Native for the concert hall Verb (the amount was crucial for the concert hall sound, and took a few tries to get it right), and the Sonnox Inflator after that.

For those who don't know, the Hendrix songs there are: Power of Soul - Live at Filmore East, Castles made of Sand, Red House - Hendrix in the West and If 6 was 9, and the outro is sunshine of your love by Cream, which Jimi completely nailed live on the Lulu show on the BBC.

Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: MichaelA on January 12, 2020, 04:42:37 PM
You're at the top of your game with this one @cowparsleyman (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21308). I know you like genre hopping, but you should stick with this one a little longer as you've got it nailed. Must have taken a lot of working out to get through all those sections - and the live gig interplay  - if only we could go back to that era and you'd be a mega star!
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Cawproductions on January 12, 2020, 07:06:52 PM
Hi Cpm,

This is a great idea for a track, Rockin too, Since it was the year I was born....

Great instrumentation and totally captures the feel of those crazy drug induced bands of the time....Crazy peeps.

As I am just a whip of a lad, @Mikey (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20986) was there....more his vibe..

Sounding great, time to crack out the purple velvet suit

Top work Fella.
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: adamfarr on January 13, 2020, 06:36:27 AM
An easy listen and convincing pastiche - great live atmosphere sounds. Great back story too (as ever!)

The one thing I noticed is that the crowd seemed quite patient and subdued during the Jimi part - I might have them rise and fall a bit more or have some random shouts or whistles during the quieter parts.

However, amazing job and you really nailed what you set out to do! Again!
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: cowparsleyman on January 13, 2020, 01:08:29 PM
Thanks again gents.

@MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274) - I might just do that, I rather enjoyed the ride...if only...can you imagine the poster, Deep Purple with supporting acts, Metallica, AC/DC, Cowparsleyman...maybe not huh? what kind of merch would I release? would I really be approached by gibson for a signature /Custom Shop guitar range? Would I be able to cope with the endless radio interviews .."and why are you called Cowparsleyman?" hmmm....

@Cawproductions (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20938) - @Mikey (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20986) - You can borrow @pompeyjazz (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20269) 's Purple velvet suit, I'm sure that cool dude has one.

@adamfarr (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20124) - Cheers Adam - Your'e quite right about the crowd,  good call Adam...I based the response on Hendrix in the West, I listened to the whole thing a few times on my lunchtime walks around the block, and they really were pretty quiet...maybe it's the combination of deafness and LSD, and his spell binding playing....I did actually think about tracking whoops, whistles etc, so it sounded more like I was standing next to someone in the audience, but, sorry to say, I couldn't be bothered...I kind of ran out of time..
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Jamie on January 13, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
@cowparsleyman (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21308)
Hi Rich, I wasn't suggesting plagiarism or anything like it :o. It was the phrasing of the opening riff, it made me think of a song from Led Zep 2, called Moby Dick. Not anything like it, but if you listen to it you may see what I meant. Good stuff!

Cheers
Jamie
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: pompeyjazz on January 13, 2020, 06:31:45 PM
Very accomplished and authentic
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Sterix on January 13, 2020, 08:05:05 PM
This is great. Really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: cowparsleyman on January 17, 2020, 12:43:59 PM
@Jamie (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19125) - It's cool Jamie - I never thought you meant plagarism, Moby Dick eh? I'll have to check it out.

@pompeyjazz (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20269) - Thanks John - appreciate it.

@Sterix (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22024) - cheers man.
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: crystalsuzy on January 17, 2020, 11:20:34 PM
Fantastic flash back to the 60's Rich.  ::) Amazing job putting this track together. Sounds very authentic and fab job on all the instruments.
You can really giver on that guitar 8) This is a good genre for you. A very enjoyable listen  :)
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: moraamarolaloba on January 20, 2020, 08:18:12 PM
Hola @cowparsleyman (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21308)
I love everything that happens without happening, I find that it is a silent engine that does not stop turning, of course there are those who take advantage of it and those who do not, so having not been in that concert I had a great time listening to it and getting into the ambient, a bath of everything that was not and still is not.
Great atmosphere .... !!
Mora
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Grubstar on January 21, 2020, 07:22:16 PM
Hi CPM
I have enjoyed a number of your genre hopping tracks and this one is a fine addition to your collection. Great guitar,bass and drums showcased by a first class production job.

The only thing I missed was a vocal and I also think that maybe it was slightly too long, But brilliant musicianship and studio skill.

Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Yodasdad on January 22, 2020, 10:12:49 PM
Very authentic, if I didn’t know better, I’d totally buy this as a genuine recording of the era.

Not often I enjoy a track without a strong melody throughout but I was able to submerge myself in this quite happily.

Like the way you squoze in all the references, particularly the Hey Joe-esque part around 4:40.

Now I put this down to my ears still being a bit gammy but in the earlier part I was hearing the crowd noise mainly on the left. With the band playing face on, I wasn’t quite sure where I was standing, but hey, I guess not many people at that gig in 69 were too sure of the surroundings or what was real.

Nicely done and some tasty playing.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Morefrog Jones on January 25, 2020, 02:18:02 PM
not sure quite what i was listening to - but if it was retro you were going for - you've nailed it.....Should be in the Tate Modern as conceptual art, interesting concept and idea.
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: cowparsleyman on January 26, 2020, 09:39:31 AM
Thanks again to all those that took the brave move and listened to this, I realise it's not everyone's cuppa song...I've had to take a bit of a break from music of the last month, but I'll be back again soon.

@crystalsuzy (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=18947) - Thanks Suze, I do my best...

@moraamarolaloba (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21233) - I just LOVE your reviews, as much as I like tour music Mora, "a bath of everything" sounds captivating...thanks for the review.

@Grubstar (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22532) - Good morning, thanks for the  kind review, and thanks too for listening to my other pieces, very grateful for that, glad I was on track with this one and that you liked it.

@Yodasdad (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19208) - Cheers for the review, a good point about the lack of strong melody line, I guess my approach was to keep the interest by moving the melody around a little, the first 'verse' was slightly different to the 2nd, then the rock n roll section, then the smoke on the water hook leading to the organ bridge , then the Hendrix part, then hendrix and blackmore playing out together...a few of the other reviewers said that it needed a strong vocal line on it, I'd love to try someone doing that, usually a higher range than I can try, I wonder if there is anyone here that wond give it a go? I think you're right about the crowd balance, I was aware of this, but might have slipped up in one of the remixes...

Glad you dig the playing, you know I just love to play...

@Morefrog Jones (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20200) - Morning Morefrog - maybe the Tate Modern is exactly the place, I love it there, with the de Chirco's "uncertainty of the poet" and Picasso's "seated nude" (I painted both of these and are now hangining our dining room), and that thing by Joseph Beuys with the VW camper van and the sledges covered in fat... love it all. (not in our dining room!)






Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Darren1664 on February 08, 2020, 11:37:52 AM
I was blown away tbh!!

How many takes did this take? It’s such a epic arrangement and your guitar playing brilliant..

You capture that live sound so well....tbh I listened before reading and thought the track was some composite of live recordings, so to find out this was all just a concept is a treat!

My hat off to you! I absolutely loved this track
Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: cowparsleyman on February 10, 2020, 01:33:52 PM
@Darren1664 (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20970) - Thanks Darren, glad you liked it, that's very kind of you...How many takes? pretty much just one all the way through  8) the drumming was the thing that took the most time, along with the mixing, and getting the guitar sound right. I also didn't want it to sound too polished, so I kept a couple of bum notes in, and I think there is one drum fill that goes on longer than I would have liked, but in a live situation that often happens when one forgets how many bars you're into a section..(btw...I remember a West End Show guitarist once told me that he had to follow pages and pages of semi breve rests, then fly into action with a solo, on the money, no mistakes...then counting again) I've also heard this from Viola players and percussionists), it's especially hard if you are depping for a musician who is sick, and you really do have to sightread those blinkin dots.

I wanted the ending bit  (the reprise of melody) to sound like Blackmore and Hendrix were playing together, but I don't think that came across at all, I wanted it to sound improvised, but then the listener would realise that to play the reprise together, they would have had to have at least heard once it pre gig.

You're right the only sampled bit was the announcement / Jimi's voice, that was from 'Hendrix in the West' recorded directly off my phone into the mike... didn't Jimi have such as great voice?




Title: Re: Hazey Purple 1969 - Bootleg Live Gig
Post by: Darren1664 on February 15, 2020, 12:54:53 PM
@cowparsleyman (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21308) .....liked very much!! Stuck it on for another listen while I write this reply :P I love that opening riff - for me it's very reminiscent of Rush! and it's just grows and get's better from there!

One take!! Jeepers that's impressive....I think the guitar work is as good as I've heard, very accurate playing but still lively and emotive. I think the little bum notes (that I so didn't notice) simply add to that live feel. Life isn't perfect, nor should music be.

Jimi did have a great voice, very distinctive and a really nice tone to it. Very blessed to have the vocal to go with the guitar ability.

Thanks for making this track :)