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Songwriter Forum => Feedback on Finished songs => Topic started by: PaulAds on February 13, 2019, 10:30:26 AM
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Why not get more involved in the wider forum community and write one especially for this...
http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=16288.msg155128;topicseen#msg155128
See if there really is life beyond the "feedback on finished songs" section :)
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Not sure about any of the other newer participants to the forum....I can only speak for myself here...
I dont understand about half of what you guys are talking about in these one off competition threads
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@mikek ... Me either, but in the past I've just jumped in, found someone who knew what s/he was doing to collaborate with, and took a shot. Or even just took a shot on my own (although, I always need help with production). I still don't know what I'm doing, but I do my best. People on the forum are, for the most part, very willing to answer questions and generally help out.
If you're interested in giving it a go, don't let a lack of information or knowledge stop you.
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I'm just trying to explain why I dont participate. The discussion is too cryptic for me to follow. I lack the tribal knowledge to follow along and the guidelines are too vauge.
YMMV
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It's not just you Mike. The guidelines are way to cryptic for me!
I don't know how many times I read it and was still none the wiser. I thought it was just me being thick. :D
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Idem.
Something about collaborating in the spirit of unity. I´m up for it but I´m a bastard to work with.
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I'm with you @mikek (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20884), I totally don't get it at all. Not that I mind, I never found any joy in trying to write songs in a certain style/theme whatever. For me, a song comes when it comes..
Just like irl, I can't pee until it's time time to and when it's time I have to ;D ;D ;D
Ymmv of course.
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Writing In a certain style ...yeah....if its a style I don't like, why write it?
This past summer I got involved locally in a song swap meet up with a few other writers...my goal was to bring a totally new song each time. We met bi-weekly. It was a very productive time for me. It made me accountable, and I pushed myself to write rather than my normal, Zen approach.
So, I may be interested in something that motivates me...but I need a clear understanding in order to decide. I'm not a jump in and then learn to swim person.
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I must be on some kind of shared wavelength with @Martinswede (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20851) , as I thought the challenge to be fairly straightforward, if generously loose on rules.
If I am right:
1. The competition is called Spring Quest. But it would be better off being called Collaboration Challenge, as collabs are what it is trying to encourage. So basically hook up with someone on the forum and write a song together, or collaborate in some other way, eg guest vocals, guest production etc. (But collaboration isn't absolutely essential, told you it was 'loose', but is definitely encouraged.)
2. The song can be about ANYTHING. But if you are stuck for a theme, then the theme of 'exotic' is offered up as a starter idea, Again not essential to use it.
So in summary. Hook up with someone on the forum and write a song about whatever you like! ;D Easy! ;D ;D ;D
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And extra points for exotic or something....what, pray tell is exotic?
And its a Collab, but you dont have to collab... ::)
I also read something about take some other song and rewrite it in a different style or some such or other
Not trying to be obtuse, honest. The thread is all over the map
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I think we may be overthinking a bit here?!
Though if the general impression is that this is too opaque or "cliquey" in some way then the point is worth resolving, as I've never felt that and certainly don't believe that is anyone's intention.
The bottom line is write and record a new song, preferably with someone new. This time no particular theme but a suggestion is "exotic". When we're done people can vote on the ones they like best.
No upside except the pleasure, no downside except spending a bit of time, and no pressure to do anything, of course.
I have said I'll help with the organisation and voting and you can PM me or MartinSwede with any doubts.
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The OP post made me assume there is a desire to increase participation.
Several of us are weighing in on our hesitation to participate.
I'm not getting a clear picture of how the thing works.
Specific information is the most helpful, including dates, deadlines, more concrete rules, etc...definitiin of terms ....like. "Exotic"
Still quite fuzzy on these items
@adamfarr (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20124) I wasnt suggesting anything is 'clique-ish' really just trying to provide some honest feedback on why I am personally reluctant to make a try at the contest.
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I think Exotic is a theme. That's totally down to your own interpretation. It could be a song about an exotic person, place or experience or the music could have an exotic theme. Anyway, my interpretation is pretty simple, write a song, hook up for a collab if you want, post, vote, ENJOY :)
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Yeah don't think vague.....think 'Hey I can pretty much do whatever I want' for this competition.....very open!
Inspired by the idea of mixing different genres (as discussed in the other thread) I will be trying to morph a song which I had in mind to be Big Band but is turning out more like late 50s Fats Domino or something into some sort of Ska/Reggae thing especially now that I've read that those ska pioneers were very fond of Fats. Might not work!
If the comp makes me get a song finished I'm up for it.
So just go for it guys.
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- Dates / deadlines: starts now, post the finished song by 31 March 2019 (idea is that with a bit more time we'll get more songs. Colaborations sometimes take more time, and those involved in FAWM may be concentrating on that during February).
- Definition of terms like "Exotic": deliberately no definition! The idea is that this is inclusive and not exclusive and creativity is encouraged. Exotic instruments, characters, lyrical ideas, stories... No limits. And no song will be excluded because of its interpretation of the "theme".
- Rules: not a lot more to add. Songs should be posted with an indication that they are intended for the competition and we'll put together a full list of entrants for voting. There are no prizes except for bragging rights. You can't vote for your own song. You need to vote to win. As colaborations have two or more people excluded from voting we'll try to even it up a bit by giving them some of the missing votes automatically (duo=2 points, trio=3 points etc.) People vote for their top three (1st=3 points, 2nd=2 points, 3rd=1 point) over a two week period so by 15 April we should be done except for the speeches.
It would be great to think that at the end of this we could have 20 or more new songs that wouldn't have seen the light of day otherwise and some new sounds from diverse colaborations. I'd echo the others who've said please don't doubt and instead feel very free to get involved with a song.
We'll add the above and any other questions to the "rules" so that everyone has them to hand.
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Hi!
I think Adams post draws it out pretty clear. This competition is open to a great deal of interpretation . That's mainly why I choose not to call it a competition (also I think the term 'quest' is a bit underrepresented in this forum).
In my opinion you'll mostly be competing with your self. Using a sand-box environment inside the Forum to set aside some of the sometimes work-like songwriting and be able to focus on more creative writing with the added opportunity of getting a substantial amount of feedback.
All the best,
Martin
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If we're trying to get the creative juices flowing and get as many songs entered as possible, can we also enter a solo song as well as being involved in a collab? I know this has been allowed in the past :)
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Hi suzy!
I've thought a bit about that myself. I think every member should be able to post an entry, and it will get very complicated if a collab has to have one member as it's founder counting that as their entry and the co-workes(couldn't find any better word) to post one entry of their own.
I suggest collabs entries to fall into their own category in the entry process. A collab will not be counted as an entry made by one member. Though this might make the voting process a living hell.
Any thoughts Adam @adamfarr (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20124) ?
Martin
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Each member should be able to enter 1 solo plus as many collaborations as they wish. Same rules apply though, none of the colaborators can vote for any entry they're in (but we give them extra points as a head start).
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@adamfarr (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20124) I fully agree. I suggest we'll post the exact functions of the scoring system about two weeks before the end of the contest simply to avoid creating a system with a load of unused featuress. If you could dig a system from a previous comp it might be all we need.
Members who have hosted earlier competitions and found the voting calculations a breeze, feel free to send me a PM.
Martin