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Title: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 02:04:59 AM
Hey everyone, thanks for taking the time to read

So I want to write a song for my boyfriend, been together for 2 months and I really wanna put down in words what he means to me but at the same time it's unexplainable the love we have, it's like nothing other and It's also complicated at times.

A little backstory, We started talking online and just hit it off right away staying up late talking to each other. cheeks hurting from smiling and laughing. Had a lot in common. We met and a week after talking we started going out/dating/boyfriends. We even started using the L word pretty early and knew it was a little too early for that but we knew how we felt, it was love that early but we couldn't explain it. It was unexplainable. Now 2 months later it's a little shaky so I'm hoping it wasn't just lust because I truly love him and I want it to last. He has money and I don't want him to think i just want that because all I want is him and everything else is just an unrequired bonus, he keeps things bottled up that I wish he'd talk to me about and I wish I opened up to him more but that's not really who I am to open up too much but I'm trying to. I want us to last a very long time and I need to put down in words all of that and what he means to me.

Now onto the lyrics or should I really say the notes I have so far cause its nothing at the moment.

Notes of what id maybe include somewhere:

I need to let you know
all I want is you
Electric

Actual possible verses

My hands are shaking, my heart is racing
its something I can't deny, the feeling I feel inside
when I look into your eyes. (This one for sure, maybe a little tweaking..)

All I ever wanted was love and then you came along and swept me off my feet
being with you makes me feel complete (ehh its too rhymey.. feet and complete its too ABC but that general idea..)

I cant tell you how much I love you because it's unexplainable
I know it can be hard sometimes but you just gotta keep pushing through
because all I want is you (not sure about this one, little cheesy?)

---

So that's what I have so far, I'm looking for some inspiration, possibly a semi co-writer who's good with lyrics who I can talk to and they just put what I say into words that ain't some cheesy Taylor swift stuff, I want a truly heartfelt song and I'm not good at piecing things together like this.

Any help will be appreciated but mostly like I said I need someone I can talk to who can put my words into lyrics.

Thank you!
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 03:10:22 AM
Hi,

I'm not the best lyricist but I would go with the first 'actual possible verse' but leave out 'I feel' just, the feeling inside when I look in your eyes.

One because you're basically saying the same thing twice and two because it flows better musically.

This verse would then serve as the structural blueprint for the following verses.

I'm actually sat in front of my piano while i'm reading your post so I've put this verse to music. Let me know if you want to hear my interpretation of it.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 03:27:22 AM
Okay, thinking lyrically, here's what I would go with for the first two verses:

My hands are shaking, my heart is racing
its something I can't deny,
this feeling inside when I look in your eyes.

All I ever wanted was true love, then you came along and swept me off my feet
being with you fulfils all of my needs

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 03:46:47 AM
Okay, thinking lyrically, here's what I would go with for the first two verses:

My hands are shaking, my heart is racing
its something I can't deny,
this feeling inside when I look in your eyes.

All I ever wanted was true love, then you came along and swept me off my feet
being with you fulfils all of my needs

Yodasdad

Yes, i like this. This is exactly what i had in mind.

I co-wrote some lyrics with someone before quite a while ago putting my words into lyrics and i recall her saying things like explain why they make you feel the way they do. To give a song more story and heart

He makes me feel the way i do because of how caring he is. How thoughtful he is of everyone around him including me. Hes the sort of person who i wanna be. I strive to be that way to always put others first but he does that so effortlesly and asks for nothing back and all i want from him is for him to know the true way i feel that he inspires me to be a better person and for me to learn to have patience with him and to open up more to him and let my walls down.

Also yes it would be great to hear some sort of meloy. I have a small idea of how it would sound. Almost slow but up beat.

I wanna title the song  "unexplainable love"

Its like youre one in a million. I cant really explain our true unexplainable.. love (long emphasis note on the love)

I'm gonna get some sleep now will reply once i get up. Thanks for all your help so far :)
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 10:54:35 AM
Got a busy day but I'll try to get it recorded tonight.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 02:08:45 PM
Looking forward to hearing it :)

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 03:01:27 PM
Hey Yodasdad,

Okay so I did a little more thinking today in the shower cause a lot of the good stuff comes to me there especially when I have some melody in my head.

So with your help and my friend's also this is it so far..

My hands are shaking, my heart is racing
its something I can't deny,
this feeling inside when I look in your eyes.

All I ever wanted was true love, then you came along and swept me off my feet
being with you fulfils all of my needs

I love you more than skies are blue, because some days skies get a little
bit grey but I'll never stop loving you (possible third verse, I don't wanna over use the word "love" though)

Notes to include these lines:

I need to let you know
I never wanna lose you, please dont ever walk out that door
I know it can be hard sometimes but i'll keep loving you forever more
(friend came up with this one out of my notes)

I will not give you up, got to have a bit of faith in this thing called love

Thanks again,
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
I think I would go with that 3rd verse as a possible pre-chorus, and change it to something like:

I love you more than skies are blue
But even when they're grey, I'll never stop loving you.

You could change the last loving to wanting...

The next verse needs to progress the story. I'll leave you to play with that just make sure you're saying something different, not the same thing in a different way.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 03:29:47 PM
Oh, and the lines in your notes section would probably work into a good middle 8, so see if you can come up with a new verse of totally new material.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 03:57:37 PM
I think I would go with that 3rd verse as a possible pre-chorus, and change it to something like:

I love you more than skies are blue
But even when they're grey, I'll never stop loving you.

You could change the last loving to wanting...

The next verse needs to progress the story. I'll leave you to play with that just make sure you're saying something different, not the same thing in a different way.

Yodasdad

How do you mean progress the story? So far I'm not 100% sure of what I have. Its not really been pieced together into a story yet like most songs are. So far all its saying is a bit about how he makes me feel. my hands shaking, hearts racing looking at him.

I don't it to be a soppy song just repeating how I love him over and over.

I want it to be like this

A slow song with a slight up beat.

I really want to write about how even before we met he made me feel so special and was constantly happy and cheeks hurt from smiling too much and how when I look at him my heart races and hands shake and he makes me feel complete and how that's fading a bit now like the relationship is fading almost feels like its coming to a end and I want to pick it back up and by putting down in words what he means to me

I think the chorus would be a hard one to write too.

So with that information knowing the story fully, is what I have so far good material that would fit that story? and what should I focus on next?

Thanks,
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 05:06:19 PM
There's definitely potential in the lyrics, I wouldn't be spending any time on them if I didn't think that.

You've basically said it yourself, don't write the next verse about how you're feeling again, saying the same thing.  Maybe something like how you think he feels, the relationship, how things have changed, what you want, what you're scared of, what you can give him etc etc.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
There's definitely potential in the lyrics, I wouldn't be spending any time on them if I didn't think that.

You've basically said it yourself, don't write the next verse about how you're feeling again, saying the same thing.  Maybe something like how you think he feels, the relationship, how things have changed, what you want, what you're scared of, what you can give him etc etc.

Yodasdad

Alright thanks, i'll have a think :)

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 07:27:29 PM
Hi Kieron,

I have a link ready for you to listen to my ideas so far.

I've adjusted the lyrics slightly to fit and also created a chorus based on your lyrics I was thinking of using for a pre-chorus and your ideas. The 'fulfill' lyric is a bit of a sticking point as it doesn't really flow very well so will need re-looking at

All I would ask is that if you decide to adopt any of my musical ideas, you agree to credit me as an equal co-writer. If you don't like what I've come up with and don't intend to use it in any way, then you can just keep my lyric ideas so far and look to someone else for help.

Does that sound fair?

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 10:48:47 PM
Hi Kieron,

I have a link ready for you to listen to my ideas so far.

I've adjusted the lyrics slightly to fit and also created a chorus based on your lyrics I was thinking of using for a pre-chorus and your ideas. The 'fulfill' lyric is a bit of a sticking point as it doesn't really flow very well so will need re-looking at

All I would ask is that if you decide to adopt any of my musical ideas, you agree to credit me as an equal co-writer. If you don't like what I've come up with and don't intend to use it in any way, then you can just keep my lyric ideas so far and look to someone else for help.

Does that sound fair?

Yodasdad

Yeah of course i'll give you full co-writer credit. Its just a personal song. It be cool to properly produce it into a song can listen to melody and volcals. Who knows but yeah i'll credit you in it :)

Send me the link let me have a listen. I appricate all the help so far :)

Thanks,
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
Looking forward to hearing what you come up with, the lyric changes and chorus :)

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 11:01:16 PM
Okay, great.

Here you go, let me know what you think.

https://soundcloud.com/my-idiom/unexplainable-love-v3-bounce

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 11:05:21 PM
It's just a rough piano/vocal sketch at the moment obviously.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
It's just a rough piano/vocal sketch at the moment obviously.

Yodasdad

Oh wow i love it. Its exactly what i invisioned for it to be, so where we at at the moment. You got the updated lyrics so i can look at them and write some more. Was that last part the chorus? Sounded pretty darn good to me.

What more should i write about for it? :)

Thanks again :)
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 24, 2017, 11:14:10 PM
Can you write out what we have so far into a verse 1, verse 2, pre chorus, verse 3, chorus or however it would go sort of like that format :)

Also as for the melody id like it to start  slow then pick up a bit towards the end if you know what i mean.

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 24, 2017, 11:27:58 PM
Glad you liked it, yeah I'll send you that tomorrow coz it's on my main computer and I can just copy it off.

I've gone without a pre-chorus at the moment. That last section was the chorus. I might decide to add one in at some point if I think the song needs it.

The best thing you can do is just write and send me more verses, or even what you think could be verses. The more the better, that way if one doesn't work, a good one can probably pieced together between them.

Assuming that the chorus stays the same each time (it doesn't have to but usually does) you have 2 more sections to say everything you want- another verse and a middle 8. We can probably squeeze an extra verse if you really need it

Let me know when you've got some ideas.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 25, 2017, 11:00:37 AM
Here's what I've got so far:

V1
My hands are shaking, my heart is racing
its something I, can't deny,
this feeling inside when I look in your eyes.
 
V2
All I ever wanted was true love,
then you came along and swept me off my feet
being with you fulfils all of my needs
This part needs changing, and preferably to something that rhymes with 'you' as it will maintain the rhyme scheme from the first verse.

Chorus
I love you more than skies are blue
But even if they turn grey, I'll still be loving you.
It’s unexplainable, should be unobtainable
Our True unexplainable love

I've been coming up with further lyrics for the next verse this morning but to be honest I think it would be better coming from you, at least the main jist of it anyway.

Lets say we go with two more verses the same size as the two here, to give you a bit of room to say everything you need.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 25, 2017, 06:52:21 PM
Hey Kieron,

How's the writing going.

I've got a couple of verses if you want to see them and suggest changes. They obviously won't be as personal as you would come up with though.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 25, 2017, 11:11:24 PM
Hey Kieron,

How's the writing going.

I've got a couple of verses if you want to see them and suggest changes. They obviously won't be as personal as you would come up with though.

Yodasdad

Yeah hit me with them, ill take a look. Long as there in the sameish direction was going in am sure they will be cool.

I wrote some stuff earlier. It was in a bit of a rewrite direction but im sure they can be tied into what already have and what ever you have written.

Show me what you have and ill send you mine bit later when get back home.

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 26, 2017, 12:22:11 AM
Okay, these are what I've settled on for now, out of many variations I came up with.

I was going to make one of the verses a more direct questioning of your boyfriends feelings but it didn't seem to fit the thread of the verses. The middle 8 would be a better place to do this if it's something you want to do, as it's meant to be a contrasting section.

I've tried to work from the information you've presented, just let me know if I'm on the right lines or way off the mark.

V3
From keyboard antics to true romantics
I've laughed till it hurts, you've made me feel so real
You're like water, I'm thirst, that's why I jumped in head first.

V4
It's early days but we're filling pages
In this fairytale that we both share
If words get too hard just say it straight from the heart

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 26, 2017, 12:55:22 AM
Okay, these are what I've settled on for now, out of many variations I came up with.

I was going to make one of the verses a more direct questioning of your boyfriends feelings but it didn't seem to fit the thread of the verses. The middle 8 would be a better place to do this if it's something you want to do, as it's meant to be a contrasting section.

I've tried to work from the information you've presented, just let me know if I'm on the right lines or way off the mark.

V3
From keyboard antics to true romantics
I've laughed till it hurts, you've made me feel so real
You're like water, I'm thirst, that's why I jumped in head first.

V4
It's early days but we're filling pages
In this fairytale that we both share
If words get too hard just say it straight from the heart

Yodasdad

I like it, i'll send you what i have shortly. Im not sure its middle 8 matieral but shall see if can tie it in somehow.
Hes curently writing down his thoughts of the relatioship so ill see if i can come up with something from that too.

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 26, 2017, 02:50:26 AM
Okay so here's all I have so far, new bits I've wrote today. A little bit from him because I asked him tonight how he feels so got a few words of his own now to write some verse about or add in with the other parts already have.

So this is what we got, bit I wrote today to start with:

Your a vison of beauty with a heart so sweet
I look your eyes and it makes me complete
I'm scared to lose you, I don't know what id do.
(something here that rhymes with complete)

You are the reason I wake up at night, I toss and turn
in the moonlight, having nightmares I swear its true because i
couldn't imagine a moment without you

I cant explain this feeling inside, when in your eyes
I get lost in time, I cant believe a boy like you is mine

I'm the best version of myself when I'm with you, I cant
believe I got you, in this true love with a boy like you

before I met you I almost gave up on love but you were
my angel from up above, you showed me how to love again
you gave me hope now there's nothing I wouldn't do to express my
love for you

I wanna cut to the best part. I want it all or nothing
I cant stand a moment when we are apart because you have
the key to my heart

The bit I found on my pc that I wrote a few weeks ago when I tried writing something then:

I almost gave up, I almost gave in but there you
were just waiting

There are no words that can describe the way I feel about you
I love you so much I don't want it to end and id die without you

my unexplainable love

I wasn't looking for love when i started talking to you
but I would stay up at night just talking to you, my cheeks would
hurt from smiling that's just one of the things you do

when I met your family, I felt they accepted me
that's all I've ever wanted

The bit he wrote to add to it:

You're my first thought in the morning, my last thought late at night
when you're not with me I long for you, I love you more than words can say
and although you drive me crazy I wouldn't have it any other way
when I'm in your arms I feel safe and warm
your smile and laugh infectious, your touch so soft and warm

So what's your thoughts on all of that, about the new stuff I wrote, the stuff from few weeks ago I wrote when I tried writing then, the stuff he had to say about how he feels and the stuff you have wrote and the stuff we already have.

I probably need to write another verse or the middle 8 out of his thoughts? but what =/ and all it needs re putting into the verse chorus format again to see where we are at with it.

also I want the song to end with something like "our true.. unexplainable love."

think that would be a nice wrap up for it :)

Let me know your thoughts and what I should write with all that I just given you or if we can fit it into with what we already have :)

Thanks again,
K.

Edit: Also For the verse 2 I my edit for that when you said it needed changing a bit was this. minor but I think it makes it sound a little better

All I ever wanted was true love,
then you came along and swept me off my feet
being with you makes me feel complete, it forfills all my needs
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 26, 2017, 08:17:39 AM
Mornin,

There's some good stuff in there, l'll spend a bit of time going through it and come back to you.

I'm going to pm you a few questions in the meantime.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 26, 2017, 10:42:09 AM
Hi,

First of all, let's scrap those last two verses I sent you. The lyrics you sent through work much better.

I used bits and pieces, re-worded, used the sentiments etc to come up with two more verses, I've also put together a middle 8 out of what is coming across. You can obviously say if you don't like any of it, but if you do, I think we've got a finished song.

I'm just waiting for my daughter to roll out of bed so I can get a recording down (her bedroom backs on to my studio).

I'll send it across when I'm done, it'll only be a rough sketch still though.

Answers to those questions will still be useful though, when you can.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 26, 2017, 02:49:38 PM
Hi,

First of all, let's scrap those last two verses I sent you. The lyrics you sent through work much better.

I used bits and pieces, re-worded, used the sentiments etc to come up with two more verses, I've also put together a middle 8 out of what is coming across. You can obviously say if you don't like any of it, but if you do, I think we've got a finished song.

I'm just waiting for my daughter to roll out of bed so I can get a recording down (her bedroom backs on to my studio).

I'll send it across when I'm done, it'll only be a rough sketch still though.

Answers to those questions will still be useful though, when you can.

Yodasdad

Looking forward to it, I answered your questions in the pm, also I was thinking of changing the songs title to "true love" cause at first I think it was unexplainable but now I think its been explained pretty well in this song when its all written and wrapped up nicely and I believe its a true love so its a perfect title for it :)

Once you put it all together with what you have and what I sent last night for the middle 8 and potentially adding some of the other stuff in there for another verse or add it in with the other verses to make it longer can you write it into the verse chorus format once more?

Thanks :)
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 26, 2017, 05:13:37 PM
Hi,

Got dragged out for Sunday lunch. I'll ok at your message, keep going on the song and come back to you shortly.

With regards the title, it's up to you but my advice would be not to call it True Love.

Titles are a very important aspect of a song and 'True Love' is a very over used and quite cliche pairing when it comes to songs and I think lowers the expectations of what the song will be.

I think a really good and intriguing title would be simply 'Our Unexplainable'

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 26, 2017, 05:28:41 PM
Hi,

Got dragged out for Sunday lunch. I'll ok at your message, keep going on the song and come back to you shortly.

With regards the title, it's up to you but my advice would be not to call it True Love.

Titles are a very important aspect of a song and 'True Love' is a very over used and quite cliche pairing when it comes to songs and I think lowers the expectations of what the song will be.

I think a really good and intriguing title would be simply 'Our Unexplainable'

Yodasdad

Okay shall go for that then, whatever fits best really or flows naturally with how the lyrics end up with everything we already have and the bits I gave to you yesterday, put that all together and come up with something great out of it and whatever flows naturally for a title out of that is what will go with.

Off to his later but I can check your replys on my phone just everything else is on the pc but I think you got everything that's on here lyric wise etc :)

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with :)

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 26, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
Hi,

My Son's fault it's took a while this time, hijacked the computer to do his homework!

Here's the song, theres some interference on it but don't worry about that, I can get rid of it no problem.

Still just a rough version with basic piano playing but you should get the jist. There's still a few minor tweaks to melody/lyrics I'll probably make plus anything you suggest of course, and I might extend the outro a little more and add an intro of course.

I'll pm you tomorrow in response to yours.

Let me know your thoughts.

https://soundcloud.com/my-idiom/unexplainable-love-v14b-bounce-2017

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 26, 2017, 11:33:21 PM
I like it but did you include some of the stuff i wrote the other day and the stuff he wrote to include.

Did i reply to your pm? I thought i did  :-\

I briefly listened to it quietly but need the lyrics written down in the verse chrous format to see if theres any tweaks i wanna make of my own. After that it just needs polishing up and then it should be good :)

Thanks again,
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 27, 2017, 12:00:38 AM
Hi,

The first two verses are almost the same as what you sent. From the 3rd verse onwards, I don't think I used anything word for word but all of what you both wrote inspired the current lyrics.

I tried to incapsulate what you were both saying in a way that worked for the song. I've had to condense what you sent, judge what fits the rhyme scheme without feeling forced, what works in terms of pronunciation and phrasing, how the lyrics build a convincing narrative and work this into a coherent and recurring melody.

There wasn't anything wrong with the lines you sent but most of it didn't work when taking all of the above into account.

If there are lines you specifically want in there, let me know and I'll try to work them in. Be aware that it may require a rewrite of the melody throughout though. If you don't like that then it's obviously not a problem but if you do it may require a bit more work.

I'll pull the current lyrics off the computer tomorrow and send them.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 27, 2017, 12:27:41 AM
Okay thats all fine. Ill still take a look at the lyrics and maybe tweak or rewrite something. One bit that stood out to me was the line with "crystal balls" didnt really like that line but the rest of it sounded okay but still wanna check it all as one peice and see whats what with it :)

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 27, 2017, 10:56:47 AM
Hi,

Yes, I agree about the Crystal Balls, that's one of the things I was going to change.

Here are the lyrics for the moment:

V1
My hands are shaking, my heart is racing
its something I can't deny,
this feeling inside when I look in your eyes.
 
V2
All I ever wanted was true love,
then you came along and swept me off my feet
being with you, is so easy to do     

C
I love you more than skies are blue
But even if they turn grey, I'll still be loving you.
it’s unexplainable, should be unobtainable
our True unexplainable love

V3
When I wake each morning you bring me comfort
Late at night, you’re whats on my mind
No words can describe what I’m feeling inside

V4
Im scared I’ll lose you, I don’t know what I’d do
If you weren’t there, the missing part of me
Like a drug I need more, can’t go back to before

Mid 8
I know there’s know way of telling what the future holds
We don't have crystal balls
but If we stop talking Ill go crazy coz I’ll
lose the one I adore

Final C
I love you just because you’re you
and even on our bad days I’ll still be loving you
it’s unexplainable, should be unobtainable
our True unexplainable love
It's our True unexplainable love - repeat

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 27, 2017, 11:12:39 AM
I'm thinking of changing to one of these???

I know there’s know way of telling what the future holds
We don't have crystal balls
If we'll get through it all
         If we'll make it at all
                 If we'll rise or we'll fall
                        If we'll crumble and fall
but If we stop talking Ill go crazy coz I’ll
lose the one I adore

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 27, 2017, 12:02:49 PM
I'm thinking of changing to one of these???

I know there’s know way of telling what the future holds
We don't have crystal balls
If we'll get through it all
         If we'll make it at all
                 If we'll rise or we'll fall
                        If we'll crumble and fall
but If we stop talking Ill go crazy coz I’ll
lose the one I adore

Yodasdad

Good morning,

Which one do you think fits best out of those you sent. I quite like "if we'll crumble and fall" but what do you think?

Posting it in the feedback section to see what others think to it or have any suggestions for it to polish it up :) I'll give you credit in the post.

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 27, 2017, 12:46:34 PM
I'm leaning towards if we'll make it atall.

I prefer crumble and fall as a stand alone but


Scrap that, it's just come to me

'We could crumble and fall' is the one we want.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 27, 2017, 01:26:31 PM
Hey,

I posted it in the feedback on works in progress sub forum. Gave you credit in the post.
http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=14166.0

I was thinking a little myself about the intro of the song because reading it though it feels just like the relationship. Feels like skipped a few bits like a proper intro.

The first lines are obviously..

V1
My hands are shaking, my heart is racing
its something I can't deny,
this feeling inside when I look in your eyes.

I feel there should be a intro before it. Something like this?

Intro
Before we met I almost gave up on love
god only knows where id be without you,
you gave me hope, you showed me how to love again
now I'm gonna put down in words what you mean to me

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 27, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
Hi,

I will be putting an intro on it but an intro doesn't have lyrics.

If you want to use those lyrics you'll need to add another section to the song or replace one. With the slightly extended outro I'm probably going to put on, adding a section would make the song well over 4 minutes and too long in my opinion.

I think the first verse is fine as it starts now. It may feel that it's missing something from your perspective of the relationship but from a listeners perspective it works fine.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 27, 2017, 06:30:35 PM
Hey,

Will just leave it as it is then. I posted it on feedback on work in progress sub but no replies to it yet. If you wanna change up that crystal balls lyrics to the new one you came up with and wait a day or two see if anyone replies to that post see what others think then it can be fully polished and recorded with the intro and outro then it should be finished.

Is the intro like a instrumental before the vocals start?

Thanks again,
K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 27, 2017, 11:03:21 PM
Hi,

Yeah, the intro's just that.

I'll put it on hold for a couple of days then.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 28, 2017, 02:19:44 AM
Hey,

Just sat here singing a part of the song..

Mid 8
I know there’s know way of telling what the future holds
we could crumble and fall
but If we stop talking Ill go crazy coz I’ll
lose the one I adore

I'm really feeling this

I know there’s know way of telling what the future holds
we could crumble and fall but I'll be with you through it all
but If we stop talking Ill go crazy coz I’ll
lose the one I adore but i'll keep loving you forever more

Maybe the "I'll keep loving you forever more" is too much? But I do think "but i'll be loving you forever more" works well in there?

What do you think?

K.

Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 28, 2017, 11:08:29 AM
Hi,

It wouldn't work exactly as you've written it but this would work.

but If we stop talking Ill go crazy, I’ll
Love you forever more

??

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 28, 2017, 01:38:34 PM
Yeah sure that sounds good. What about the other line? "I'll be with you through it all"

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 28, 2017, 02:27:43 PM
Hi,

It wouldn't fit as well as 'we could crumble and fall'

It could replace 'we could crumble and fall' but it would mean two 'but's' in quick succession which doesn't sound great. I also think it sounds a little contradictory when followed by the line about if we stop talking.

I can try to get that in there as well if you really want it but I think it might spoil the flow of the section a little.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 28, 2017, 04:39:51 PM
Okay just leave it as it is then.

Also i dont think anyones responding to that feedback post. Dont know wether to bump it or not. If no one comments before tomorrow evening can get started on the process of producing the finished product if you want.

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 28, 2017, 06:32:04 PM
Hi,

The other threads still at the top of the page so bumping it won't help.

People just aren't commenting.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: pompeyjazz on November 28, 2017, 10:33:45 PM
I have been following this thread with a lot of interest as it's wonderful to see / hear a song being born. Usually all this discussion goes on privately but this has been illuminating with regard to how the process has worked in this instance. I'm sure the final song will be sensational and looking forward to hearing it  :)
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 28, 2017, 11:43:49 PM
I have been following this thread with a lot of interest as it's wonderful to see / hear a song being born. Usually all this discussion goes on privately but this has been illuminating with regard to how the process has worked in this instance. I'm sure the final song will be sensational and looking forward to hearing it  :)

Thanks and I'm sure it will be sensational when its finished :)

Speaking off, Yodasdad.. I don't think anyones comenting of the feedback thread. If you wanna get started with the producing the final thing you can now :)

K.
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 29, 2017, 10:43:01 AM
Kieron, will do.

Pompey, thanks man.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: Yodasdad on November 29, 2017, 10:59:46 AM
Hi Kieron,

Just to clarify,

Did you want to go with

I'll lose the one I adore
Or
I'll love you forevermore
??

Both will work.

My preference is the first one as it leads straight into the chorus which has the word love in it and I think it's slightly less twee.

It's your call though so just let me know.

Yodasdad
Title: Re: Need inspiration and help getting through writers block
Post by: kieronfairhurst on November 29, 2017, 11:29:51 AM
Go with the first one "I adore".

Looking forward to hearing the final thing :)

K.