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Songwriter Forum => Feedback on Finished songs => Topic started by: diademgrove on October 31, 2016, 02:00:12 PM
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A little avant garde noise from me, so beware. Inspired by The Beatles Revolution 9 and the end of I Don't Live Today by The Jimi Hendrix Experience. All comments gratefully received.
Keith
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that is realy avant garde & wild keith...actually I do a lot of stuff like this but I call it jazz! ;D
with all the backwards voices & snippets of sounds & strange music it was like a collage so it was a fitting accompaniment to the container thing covered in graffiti ...is that one of those installation things thats modern art? ...i saw the police cars everywhere & thought wow it mustve been such a popular attraction there was a riot with people fighting to see it
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Thanks Tina,
not sure I would class it as jazz.
Yes it's modern art. Jimmy Caute built a model town in Bedfordshire in the aftermath of a riot and put it in a container. The container has spy holes so you can see the buildings, police etc. The container is currently touring famous riot sites in the UK. After Hull it went to Newcastle Upon Tyne. Well worth a visit if you get the opportunity.
Thanks again,
Keith
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Hi Keith
Strangely ive been looking forward for a while now to hearing something from you, can you explain more, the male voice is that you and who else is talking and your reasons for putting this together and of cause what ever else, maybe sometime in the future we can record something together, would like that.
Nice one.
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no keith i wouldnt call your avant garde noise jazz either
i meant i call jazz avant garde noise ...if you see what i mean :)
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This is a really interesting piece of conceptual music Keith which I thought suited the film perfectly. I hadn't heard of this project before and will be finding out more about it. Like the sound collage with the repetitive #3 #3 and the backwards guitars and voice snippets. Good to see some more avant garde stuff on the forum.
Cheers
John
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Thanks John. Here's some more information about the AdpRiotTour and where its going next.
http://www.l-13.org/acatalog/JIMMY-CAUTY-ADP-RIOT-TOUR-.html
Tina, I know what you mean but not all avant garde noise is jazz and not all jazz is avante garde noise. Two jazz singers you may want to check out, if you've not come across them already, are Bessie Smith and Billie Holliday.
Last but not least, Oldbutyet. The voices are me and my wife. With what is essentially a drone you need the mix of voices (including the instruments) to add a bit more interest.
The inspiration was The Beatles Revolution 9 which caught me as a teenager. Running around classrooms saying "Number 9" cracked us up. The wonder of that track never left as I got older. The same can be said for Hendrix's I Don't Live Today, especially the end. Add in the feedback drenched introduction to Wild Thing at Monterey, The Star Spangled Banner at Woodstock and Miles Davis' electric period and you're cooking.
The more immediate inspiration was Jimmy Cauty's work of art and the pipeline protest at Standing Rock. Mix it altogether and you get 6 minutes of noise.
My musical skills lag behind what I have in my head. Revolution 3 sounds way too melodic to my ears but that's all my fingers could manage on the fret board. Which means I usually work fairly slowly.
I'm definitely interested with working with you. Send me a pm if you have something on the go I could help with.
Thanks to all of you for the positive comments, much appreciated.
Keith
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That is really interesting Keith. Shame it's not coming anywhere near these parts
John
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I appreciate the idea, but this isn't nearly as trippy as the one the beatles made, and I the song idea only works once. Rev #9 is a unique and odd art project, and it is novel in it's uniqueness and originality. You brought something new to the table, but not enough for it to exist on its own. I don't think this is jazz though, I see freejazz with the likes of Ornette Coleman and Eric Dolphy, this is something different. But it's all subjective.
Interesting project you got here, not my cup of tea, but it's probably someone's!
Keep going
Nate
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This is one of those pieces of music that at the right moment would be just perfect - I recall listening to lots of weird stuff driving home at night on The Late Junction. I'd then buy an album and be puzzled why in the cold daylight whilst sitting on my sofa it didn't have the same effect as it did when I was transfixed by darkness and headlights.
This is like that. I can't say it's my thing, and it's not the right moment, but I'm glad folks do this stuff and push the envelope.
Cheers
Derek
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Very interesting.
I can equate this with Revloution #9.
Having the video gives the piece an interpretation, which I otherwise would not see..
I do like the guitars, they set an ambience, which gives the tune some depth and a kind of haunting feeling.
Enjoyable listen.
Sandeep
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That is one hypnotically, weird and long piece of music...right up my street. I loved the ambience all the way through. At first I did think, oh god it´s 6 minutes long, but it held my attention. It´s more something you´d have in the background while eating certain types of specialised fungi...but there´s music for every social situation.
It´s really well put together, with a great mix of sounds...I especially liked the trumpet at the end as it grew out of the mix. All in all, a great piece of work!
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Hello Keith,
This is interesting to me, I remember revolution number 9, so I can relate to this. This is though video art, with the video collage and sound snippets telling the story, with your musical piece as the backdrop.
It feels like a working class lament, not as optimistic as some of your work. But as I say I can relate I lived through it.
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Thanks for the responses, positive as well as negative. I must admit the favourable responses have taken me by surprise a little, so thanks for cheering me up.
Nate, whilst I really like Revolution 9 I wouldn't call it trippy and there are far better examples of what they were trying to achieve if you look hard enough.
I'm tempted to produce some more weird noise, so be warned.
Thanks again,
Keith
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An interesting pastiche of sound...just a bit too long to hold interest though..
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Hello Keith,
This is interesting to me, I remember revolution number 9, so I can relate to this. This is though video art, with the video collage and sound snippets telling the story, with your musical piece as the backdrop.
It feels like a working class lament, not as optimistic as some of your work. But as I say I can relate I lived through it.
I think we're still living through it. The piece contains a number of voices. One of the guitars is, as you say, a working class lament but the vocal and the trumpet reflect working class optimism. As you may have noticed the track ends with the solo trumpet, a sign that despite all, we'll come out on top.
With Revolution 9 I didn't detect any optimism, although I think its a great piece of music. Something I wanted to avoid.
I'm glad you liked it.
Keith
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Hi Keith,
I was a little daunted after I read the reviews - didn't know what to expect. I'd be interested to know if you play it for yourself very often. My first rule is that I've got to like my own stuff enough to hear it a hundred times and not cringe too much. Kind of hard to see what you're trying to achieve here. It lacks all the elements that make up a good song in the conventional sense and it leaves me completely emotionally unmoved. So I'd have to give it the thumbs down from a personal point of view.
M
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Hi Keith,
I was a little daunted after I read the reviews - didn't know what to expect. I'd be interested to know if you play it for yourself very often. My first rule is that I've got to like my own stuff enough to hear it a hundred times and not cringe too much. Kind of hard to see what you're trying to achieve here. It lacks all the elements that make up a good song in the conventional sense and it leaves me completely emotionally unmoved. So I'd have to give it the thumbs down from a personal point of view.
M
Thanks for the comments Monty. I was surprised you listened to it but pleased you did.
I play my own stuff a few times before posting. I also play them months afterwards to see if I feel the same way. Some of what I've done is awful, some of it ok, more often than not in the same song. I don't hear anything in Revolution 3 that I will dislike in 6 months time.
I achieved what I set out to do, which was to create a piece of music in the vein of Revolution 9 and the end of I Don't Live Today. Neither of them would end up on a greatest hits compilation of either.
Thanks again for the comments,
Keith
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Yo diadem.
I like musical creations that push and challenge the way I listen. I think as I've aged my horizons have become more conservative. I used to listen to a lot of Faust,Tangerine Dream,Pink Floyd and Soft Machine,back in the day and this piece reminds me I've become a boring bastard in many ways. :D
Power to yer elbow Keith.
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I'm very into traditional and melodic work, but not always. This would be perfect when I'm in a certain mood, but not all the time. I have no nits. I think you did a good job of what you did. ;D It feels very frenetic to me and reminds me of real life these days, of all the stressors and distractions keeping me from being relaxed and peaceful, yet fully engaged. It could actually kind of be my theme song! :o
My favorite part is the resolution into the trumpet at the end.
Vicki
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Simply thought it was great. Thought the song fitted very nicely with the background, so well done in that respect :)
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Thanks for the comments much appreciated.
skub I always go somewhere I haven't been musically at least once a year. I've discovered some great bands and a lot of average ones. The most surprising discovery was liking some of Justin Bieber's songs.
Vicki, I like the trumpet at the end as well.
Henry, your comment on youtube was much appreciated and I've subscribed.
Keith
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Hi Keith,
You always continue to explore and push the boundaries.
I think the production is great. Tune in to the mood of the piece and it's noticeable how each part works so well with next.
Yes, it's busy and fluid - maybe a stream of gentle chaos - but there's clarity in there also. It's not just a random assembly of sounds thrown together.
Sometimes I want beans on toast - sometimes I want something a bit more complex!
Digger
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Okay, I've got to be honest here right off the bat, I didn't like it. I didn't like it from the perspective of a song I would listen to for pleasure or as a piece of music I would listen to for the same reason.
I started to listen to it a few days ago but couldn't make it through to the end so I've had to come back to it.
Having said what I've said, this piece of music wasn't written for the purposes I've mentioned I don't think and I understand that there is a place and a purpose for this. Not everything can, nor should conform.
I can appreciate the craft that has gone into getting all of those abstract and seemingly chaotic ideas to work together and from that perspective I applaud you.
I'm sure that at the right time under the right circumstances, this music is just what is needed. Sitting here with my headphones on just isn't it for me.
Apologies if this comes across as a little negative but I'd just ignore everything I wrote, I'm probably not the correct audience for this in the first place.
Yodasdad
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i had a listen...but it's definitely not my cup of tea...i didn't quite know how to review this, to be honest...i always try to take into account what the writer is trying to do or say...but can't really make any worthwhile contribution...i just wanted you to know that i hadn't ignored it
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Paul and Yoda, thanks for listening. Liking it is not compulsory, just yet :)
Thanks Digger.
Keith