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Three things I learned about recording.

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« on: September 27, 2013, 10:57:31 PM »
Since starting recording oh so long ago, Ive become more involved in the technicalities of it than I ever thought I would be.
Anyway, I was thinking the other day - what do I wish I knew when I was just starting to put money toward equipment and such? So I thought I'd give three opinions on that to everyone. Chime in with your own 3 aswell!

BTW - this does not touch at all on the cardinal rule that a recording is only as good as the music!! Thats a whole other area, full of subjective opinions lalala.

1. No matter how fancy your gear, it is only as good as your room.
This one applies to mixing more than anything else, but also to actually recording. If the room sounds bad, the recording will sound bad no matter how good the gear. If the room doesn't give a flat frequency response, then you won't be able to mix well. Unless you have a nice big room with a sweet sounding reverb for recording, then you will need treatment. So, putting your money into acoustics sounds more dull than buying gear, but it will give better results.

2. Monitoring is important. If you are going to hear what you've recorded (and are recording) accurately, you need good monitoring.
If your shopping list consists of a preamp and monitors and you have £1000, put £950 into monitors and go and buy this for the preamp:
http://www.studiospares.com/microphone-preamps/studiospares-red520-microphone-preamp/invt/348230?VBMST=preamp
Seriously. Better preamps can come way down the line. The ones you have on you audio interface will do for now. Buy better monitors.

3. A great recording can be made anyway and all the above is irrelevant.
At the end of the day, the person in front of the mic makes the recording, not the engineer. A great performance trumps anything. If you can capture that without drowning it in noise so it loses all it's emotion/integrity/whatever, then good job and it doesn't matter how you did it...


jtgautreau

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 04:05:28 PM »
I agree, if you have a good engineer/room/recording chain, you'll for sure have a huge advantage, but songs are the ones that speak to people and that connect.

You can record a GREAT song with an iphone on an open mic and get thousands of poeple interested and download it and get A LOT of buzz.

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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2013, 11:30:48 AM »
Thanks for the tips Ramshackles. This is something that has confused me for a while regarding room dynamics.  I saw a documentary with Jeff Lynne where he has all these massive open plan rooms he can record in and get great dynamics. But then many studios seem to be designed to be as neutral as possible with the shaped ceilings, walls etc. I thought the idea was to capture the source of the sound with little else added in.  I don't get how there are these two extreme approaches or am I misunderstanding something?

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2013, 12:17:32 PM »
Shaped ceilings etc does not necessarily mean 'neutral'. It may be a method of controlling the reverb.

There are a number of opinions as to what a 'pleasing' reverb consists of and many of the more expensive studios tailor their room acoustics to give a pleasing reverb. Some have special ceilings which alter the characteristic depending on where you place the mics.

Theres no rules though...any kind of building might have a pleasing sound just by it's nature. Usually bigger rooms have nicer reverbs as there is no bass build up in the corners, the reverb tail is smoother and the 'early' reflections are not that early (no horrible 'boing' noise like in an empty bedroom)

Control rooms (i.e. where you mix/master the music) generally need a more neutral sound so that you can accurately hear what has been recorded without it being 'shaped' by the room...

Some studios will design their live rooms to be neutral, often having a dedicated reverb chamber in which to replay the music through to capture an authentic reverb with more control, or so they can use digital reverbs, plates or whatever they have!

The rule is - if it sounds good, record in it.

tina m

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2013, 10:23:07 PM »
well im a electric musician so maybe things are simpler for me but ive never bothered to much with room acoustics...as long as your near the mic for vocals does it matter that much? i always slap a load of fx on it anyway  & it sounds ok
on mixing i always use headphiones & then burn a cd & play it on our hifi which has speakers in the lounge & kitchen so i can check it sounds ok in 2 diffrent rooms
anyway the focusrite thingy & the rode mic you recomended are triffic so im very grateful
Tell me Im wonderful & I ll be nice to you :)

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« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2013, 06:21:09 AM »
Ha, yes the room doesnt really matter for electronics...only when using mics.
And for vocals - you are right, it can play less of a role than for an acoustic instrument.

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2013, 08:33:43 AM »
Do you mean the Focus rite VRM box that emulates listening to speakers through headphones?

If so +100000000000 to that!

100% of my stuff is mixed using this approach as I am unable to use monitors
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2013, 09:34:46 AM »
No...I doubt I would have recommended that (I dont know it so well/have no use for it).

I suspect it was probably the ISA one preamp.

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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 09:29:59 PM »
it was a saffire...my demos have got so much better since i started using it :)
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2013, 06:43:14 AM »
Ahh yes...preamp and interface in one. Yeah, they are a good deal.

The steinberg interface (which has preamps and more) MS-16 or whatever it is called looks great aswell...if you have cubase..

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2013, 10:22:42 AM »
From my experience if the room doesn't have a character that compliments the sound mic placement can really help remove most of that