Quote from: Nick Ryder on May 09, 2024, 08:26:11 AM

I think the only thing from my point of view is the point you make about learning to mix. I actually started on this path and soon realised that it is such a big subject and would extremely time consuming which would be time I'd have sacrifice at the expense of time being creative.

@Nick Ryder
My post is of course also about my personal rules (all in the spirit of you initial topic post). By no means would I ever suggest others should also mix their own songs.

Since I started to take mixing serious (about two years ago) I found that I loved it so much, that it sort of became a second hobby of mine. I confess I like it even more than writing lyrics and even playing guitar  . Also, i found that mixing can be just as creative as making music. So I ended up doing both: making music and mixing. It’s still a steep learning curve, but gradually I’m getting better at it.

Quote from: Elvis Nash on May 09, 2024, 04:44:54 PM

I agree with all that has been posted except hiring session players is to pricey , Its not really that much if you go to fiverr and look around.

@Elvis Nash
In my case, music is “just” a hobby. I have an arrangement with my partner on how much money I’m allowed to spend on it, which is fair since we share a household. Until now I spend it all on buying VSTs, guitars, synths and pedals and such. If (…) I would ever make money from making music, things might change, but that’s not realistic for now.

Quote from: Nick Ryder on May 10, 2024, 08:10:40 AM

I'm way too much of a narcissist to co-write.

Haha  I’d rather prefer to call it “determined” or “having a strong opinion”, which is okay. After all, it’s our own creative work of art we’re talking about. We’re allowed to be a bit protective when it comes to that. No harm to the world done.

Quote from: Elvis Nash on May 09, 2024, 04:44:54 PM

I agree with all that has been posted except hiring session players is to pricey , Its not really that much if you go to fiverr and look around , I hire the hungry ones . If the player has been around...they jack their price up. If you get them starting off , they're cheap. No I don't mess with mixing either , Its a broad learning curve , I have a pro for that . I study a few vids just to be in the loop on what they're doing , but that's about it .

Now back to lyrics , I write a ton on my own but sometimes pay to write with hit writers , You might think that's cheating , Well not really if the song is better than I'm writing , You can waste valuable time and money on a song that's lays flat on your own . Pride still doesn't pay to well lol
Everybody in Nashville co-writes , You might see 4 writers on a song , it comes down to you might miss something on your own. Some pop songs have 9 writers , I don't see the sense in that , But who knows they make millions

Hey, @Elvis Nash This is really interesting to read. I did not know that pro songwriters offered co-writing services.

I'm also amazed that up to 9 people can be involved in writing country songs in Nashville. 9 people and its still country music LOL

I have a friend who only ever co-writes and it frustrated me because I don't know whether he's any good or not because I don't know which bits or how much of the song he's written.

I'm way too much of a narcissist to co-write. I prefer to take full credit regardless of whether my songs are good or bad

I think the only thing from my point of view is the point you make about learning to mix. I actually started on this path and soon realised that it is such a big subject and would extremely time consuming which would be time I'd have sacrifice at the expense of time being creative.

I agree with all that has been posted except hiring session players is to pricey , Its not really that much if you go to fiverr and look around.

I'm way too much of a narcissist to co-write.