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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2012, 10:39:33 PM »
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A blog is by nature an opinion. It is how I see things. I have no editors to please, so yup I will be opinionated

Fair point, and this is one of the "things" with the interent where it is so well written it reads more like an essay/article, rather than "musings"


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The notes on melody homogenisation is interesting. Furthermore, musical minimalism is also a factor. It can be used well. Kelis "Milkshake" is one chord throughout (IIRC) and the main chorus melody mostly one note too! But it works.

I remember playing "Chain Of Fools" with my band when we were doing a selection of Commitment numbers and kept waiting for the chord change that never came

I have always wanted to write a song with one chord!
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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2012, 10:43:04 PM »

I have always wanted to write a song with one chord!

There's a comp idea :)

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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2012, 10:48:36 PM »
Fair point, and this is one of the "things" with the interent where it is so well written it reads more like an essay/article, rather than "musings"

I'll take that as a compliment! But even articles have an agenda, opinions underneath. When I write, i try to be journalistic. Fair, with a clear bias if I tackle one so as not to be sneaky. I say in the article that me and the pop music discussed aren't bedfellows, so I am not deceiving, at least I don't mean to!


I have always wanted to write a song with one chord!

I have managed two chords. Never one. Hmm... Could be fun, if quite the challenge!!
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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2012, 10:52:16 PM »
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I'll take that as a compliment! But even articles have an agenda, opinions underneath. When I write, i try to be journalistic. Fair, with a clear bias if I tackle one so as not to be sneaky. I say in the article that me and the pop music discussed aren't bedfellows, so I am not deceiving, at least I don't mean to!


Yes, it was meant as a compliment - the journalistic quality was shining through, which is why it felt like it was being reported as "fact" - although to be fair it looks like the "science" is baking you up  ;)
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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2012, 01:05:17 AM »
I haven't read this whole topis but enough to see where it was going.  ;D

I'm going to chirp in and lean on the side of James with this.
My reasoning comes down to my own personal taste because of course it is, a matter of taste.

As a person of an artistic nature I find myself wanting authenticity when I listen to something.
That's why I would rather watch a concert of say, Led Zeppelin or The Who etc, and experience that band, that vocalist giving their souls. They might hit some bum notes, or whatever, but what you are hearing is them, live. No autotune. It is a genuine experience.
Now I know all bands will chop and cut and splice for an eternity to get the best product at the end of the day, but still it was all real.
These days you can hardly describe what you are hearing with some artists. You know that those vocals are not real. Or at least there might be an almost inaudible part of it that's real behind a pre-recorded vocal that is further forward in the mix.

Here's where I agree with you Boydie.  :P That song you metion by those x-factor boys, can't remember what they are called, is a good catchy song. Agreed. If it hadn't been so over-produced and clean, and sythesized, and computerised and precisely cut by a nuclear powered, laser guided, predictability drive.
Yep, I think that just about sums up the emotions I feel when that stuff forces it's way into my ears.  :P
I know the beatles wrote chessy, poppy love songs, and I love them. Because they sound like real vocals by people who sound like they are actually playing real instruments. That's how it sounds when you hear them. You hear musical instruments being played and vocals that sound real and have soul. There's a human being attached to that voice and you can hear it.
I don't get any of that from a lot of these modern pop songs. There's some good songs that have been murdered with production and turned into something that becomes something that, to use an analogy, just pops out of a machine every 2 seconds in a factory. At least that's how it sounds, whether that's true or not.
There are lots of great writers out there pushing boudaries or re-inventing old ones. Unfortunately to really make it these you should preferably be sixteen, beautiful, have a great body and be willing to show lots of it, have charisma and performance skills. And maybe being able to sing.
What I usually end up hating the most is the videos. It seems the world we live in today has lost a lot of its morality, and I'm an athiest btw.
Anyway that's my two pence worth  :P

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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2012, 08:27:52 AM »
Well said SCHAV

It is interesting that this is another lean towards the "artists" of today rather then the pop songs themselves (which is where this topic kinda started)
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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2012, 09:48:16 AM »

I know the beatles wrote chessy, poppy love songs, and I love them. Because they sound like real vocals by people who sound like they are actually playing real instruments. That's how it sounds when you hear them. You hear musical instruments being played and vocals that sound real and have soul. There's a human being attached to that voice and you can hear it.
I don't get any of that from a lot of these modern pop songs. There's some good songs that have been murdered with production and turned into something that becomes something that, to use an analogy, just pops out of a machine every 2 seconds in a factory. At least that's how it sounds, whether that's true or not.





You took the words out of my mouth Schav. I've always had this issue with pop music, I never really liked the synthesized 80's stuff and although I don't mind the odd 90's dance tune, the majority of the music I like needs to be 'possible to create live'. If the artist can do an unplugged set and make the song sound good acoustically I'd much rather buy and listen to that version, as opposed to the over produced radio edit. A lot of the modern chart music would be nigh on impossible to create in an unplugged environment with 'real instruments' and no computers.

Maybe the problem stems from technology itself. Just look at modern movies, they are full of relatively cheap-to-create CGI. Thus they rely less on the quality of acting and script writing. They can churn out sequel after sequel of Spiderman etc. and claw in the millions. If they made '12 angry men' today it would win critcal acclaim but would never make those millions because it's not loud, brash and full of razzamatazzle. The same seems to be true of 'popular' music.

Proper muso's seem to be the '12 angry men', doing their thing but with a vastly diminished audience :(

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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2012, 02:00:13 AM »
It's a good topic and it has made me think.
I've realised that it isn't even synths that bother me. There's plenty a synth player in bands
I like. It must be the production that makes everything sound so perfect and quantized, even distorted guitars sound like tweaked samples. It all sounds so plastic and pretend, even though some of the songs are actually quite good. Then again I love some of the stuff Beck did and he used lots of samples...
It's hard to figure out haha :D.

I read further up about the one chord song. I had the similar idea a little while back keeping the root the same the whole way through a song, and wrote a song called See Saw. The whole song has the root of G with other chords infered here and there, mostly with the bass. I found it a lot easier than I thought it was going to be.
I'll put the link here if you want to have a listen.If not ignore it .  ;D
Btw. there were no samples used in this song, all keyboard parts I made and played myself.
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2012, 08:21:08 AM »
@HABITAT

If iu haven't already I would strongly recommend you check out the BBC Live Lounge albums

These are pretty much the "hits of the day" played live, either acoustically or with a band and either by the original artist or another band covering someone else

Highlights over the albums for me are:

Biffy Clyro covering Rhianna's "Umbrella"

The Saturdays ( yes, the Saturdays  :-[) covering Aloe Blac's "I Need A Dollar"

Their live vocals and harmonies on this are absolutely stunning!

I am sure both (and more) are on You Tube

I much prefer the Live Lounge version of songs and it is a "must buy" album to me

It does show that some of the bands/artists out there have real talent and CAN cut it as proper performing artists, which also highlights that it is the labels pushing the "pap pop" fot a quick buck as JAMES so excellently discussed in his blog
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« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2012, 10:25:51 AM »
I'm gonna lean on the nightingales side of things aswell  :P

Simply because, a blog is a blog. You write what you want on it.
Anyway who reads any random blog on the internets and immeadiatley takes it as 'fact' needs their head checking :P

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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2012, 12:31:09 PM »
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Simply because, a blog is a blog. You write what you want on it.
Anyway who reads any random blog on the internets and immeadiatley takes it as 'fact' needs their head checking 

But that is the point - I don't see JAMES as a "random blog" on the internet

He is someone who's opinion I respect

JAMES has cleary put a lot of time and effort in writing a considered "discussion"

I was merely pointing out that I read some of the "opinions" as fact, which is a bit of feedback that may improve future blogs - and I don't think JAMES disagreed with me
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« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2013, 05:43:46 PM »
Hello all!

This one was a long time coming. Moving house, xmas and the topic of the blog itself all got in the way! I aim to be back on course to write one a fortnight now :)

http://jamesnighthawk.com/2013/01/a-change-would-do-you-good/

This week is all rather geeky and about the ups and downs of updating the Music PC and software

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« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2013, 10:31:33 AM »
Nice blog..out of interest, what were your old reverb plugins and what are your new ones? :)

I didnt quite get this line:
I don’t know if all Pro users feel this, but a new PC brings mixed feelings for me

that capitalisation of pro....are you talking about apple users there?

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« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2013, 10:55:21 AM »
Well articulated James.

I'm eons behind you but face exactly the same problem. I am finding it difficult to see why I should leave my comfy armchair that is Audacity. I know my way around now, I can make even a basic phone recording sound ok relatively quickly and it generally does everything I wanted when I started out. However, sat on my hard drive are two massively superior pieces of software in Sonar x1 and Reaper. Every time I venture in to either to play around I lose my patience as I cant do the simplest thing that in Audacity takes me seconds (like adding an effect). Boydie has been great in offering advice to get me started with the whole midi thing, hell I even bought a book! But still that comfy armchair entices me back..

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« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2013, 12:23:03 PM »
@Ramshackles

Good spot on the grammar: Pro should be pro. I am not referring to the proper noun of a "Mac Pro". I am PC user for music. I like to think the main reason this stood out is because my grammar is usually very good  :D :D I have changed it to say "professional" now.

My old plug-in set was the "Native Instruments Bundle"
http://www.tcelectronic.com/native-bundle/

There were actually freebies I got when I upgraded Cubase about 8 years ago. I updated Cubase, Purchase Halion, and these effects were the sweetener from the vendor. Turns out I used them more than Halion!!

I am now being frugal (times as they are!) and I am using the on board Cubase reverbs. However, they have come on nicely! The standard Roomworks is much smoother sounding, low CPU and flexible. The pre delay is transparent and therefore great for vocal plates. And Cubase now has "REVerberance", a high end unit. This is a funny one. I have gotten some good snare, acoustic guitar and strings reverbs from it, but I still can't find me a vocal setting that works....

On the compression side, I have ever so slightly fallen in love with the plug ins that came with T-RACK 3 Pro, my mastering suite of choice.

This is my favourite, a replica of the Fairchild 670

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/trgrand/index.php?pp=t-racks-cs-grand-versions&CGLV=VC1SYWNrUyBDUyBHcmFuZA%3D%3D&CGLP=Uj1kaXNwbGF5Jlc9c2luZ2xlJkdJRD0yNg%3D%3D

The mastering suite is brilliant, and the bonus is that every compressor, Reverb and EQ is available as a VST!

Thats enough geek for one day

@Habitat

Regardless of the level you are at (believe me I know there are many producers out there that would laugh at my skills set as stands!) I think the points raised stand. We all like to stick with what we know, for better and often for worse.

Don't worry bout midi too much: learn the AUDIO side of your DAW first. Your type of music doesn't require extensive midi knowledge. I only use midi for guide tracks in many projects. Audio is my baby :)
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