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Songwriter Forum => The Bar => Topic started by: shadowfax on February 07, 2016, 12:32:50 PM
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is it still enforced? a few recent posters seem to be ignoring it...not complaining..just asking, I'd be quite happy to post songs earlier..
best, Kevin :)
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It is enforced when noticed
Often just a gentle reminder for newbies and/or locking one of the posts
The boards do seem to be moving quite quickly again at the moment so I would suggest we maintain the rule
Don't forget that anyone can use the "report post" feature
This isn't just for really bad stuff, it can also be used to give the mods a simple "heads up" and is completely anonymous so don't see is "telling on them" but helping out the mods and the community as a whole
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Hi Paul..don't really want to be reporting or telling on people I've mentioned to a few that they've uploaded a bit early but starting to feel like a bit of a buzybody...so I'll lay off I think.
just wondered if it was being relaxed a bit...
best, Kevin :) :)
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Maybe some people can't count very well. Let's make it a month. Easier to check then. And if anybody sneaks one in early by a few days we'll still be better off than we are now.
The finished songs board is moving too fast.
Have I said this before?
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Hello
I'd be inclined to agree...it's quite overwhelming trying to keep up...
Making it one song per calendar month (Jan/Feb, etc) would perhaps make it easier to keep an eye on?
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I tend to agree that slower is better (easy for me to say as I can't seem to get a song ready in less than about 60 days).
However, it might encourange people to use WIP, Lyrics and Recording more and not use Finished Songs for things that really aren't.
Perhaps we could also have a section in The Bar for Published Songs or something - I can be a bit annoying when posters say 'here's a song from my latest "EP" / "CD" / "Other Published Thing"' and are just self-publicising and not really interested in any constructive comments...
Uh oh, bit ranty, off to meditate for a bit...
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No disrespect meant to anybody but why should it be slowed down? if peeps want to put a song up once a month or once every 2 months they can, there is no pressure to put one up every 2 weeks...
I'm a busy guy but never have a problem keeping up with the finished songs forum..
I'm in a traffic jam in Germany on D1 approaching Frankfurt writing this, there's always time somewhere..we are stationary of course..the last 2 hours actually..
I agree with Adam regarding people who just upload their latest ep/album or whatever but thats always gonna happen, freeloaders are all over the interweb..not much can be done about that I s'pose.
I try to put in as much as poss..the forum deserves it but lets not start talking about slowing it down..
just go at your own pace and enjoy it.. :) :) :) :)
best to all, Kevin :) :)
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I'd be interested to know when a finished song isn't considered finished and should thus be posted in the recording / lyrics / WIP forum rather than the Finished Song forum? For me, a finished song is when I have the lyrics, chords, and melody sorted. Anything else - arrangement, recording, production, mastering - is not what I would come to a song-writing forum for. But I'm more than happy to move my work to one of these other forums if I'm misreading the philosophy here?
Cheers
Derek
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I'm with you here as far as that goes Derek.
For me it's never going to be finished production-wise because I'm not a sound engineer and can't sing very well. I take 'finished song' to mean finished from a writing point of view.
I think we should start talking about slowing it down. Songs are disappearing off the first page too quickly and this must be leading to some songs not getting a fair whack at being reviewed.
Some don't post very often and deserve to have their moment in the spotlight.
What's the hurry?
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Dear Count, a month? I'll get musical constipation! ;D
2 weeks has worked fine for the last couple of years..
:)
Neil
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"Finished" means different things to different people so there is always going to be variation, which is a good thing
For me, a finished song is when I have the lyrics, chords, and melody sorted. Anything else - arrangement, recording, production, mastering - is not what I would come to a song-writing forum for. But I'm more than happy to move my work to one of these other forums if I'm misreading the philosophy here?
I agree with your statement and you have got the philosophy completely right
However, in this day and age for some genres the arrangement and "production" (recording, mixing etc.) IS part of the finished song, especially for those that want to go on to pitch their song
The rule of thumb is to always put what you do (and do not) want specific feedback on within your original post
Some people like to look at songwriting in the "pure" form (lyrics, melody, chords) and some like to incorporate arrangement, production etc.
Neither is right or wrong - all feedback can be taken on board or ignored
I actually do think the boards should be slowed down and would personally support a "one song a month" rule, however this is TONE's house so we play by his rules!
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Finished is when the songwriter says it's finished...some people prefer to sing along to a guitar and call it finished, some people prefer to do more to a song before they think it's finished..
either way, if you've written the song and consider it finished then as far as the songwriter is concerned..it's finished innit!! :) :) :)
can't believe that question cropped up..who writes a song and doesn't know if they've finished it?
doesn't matter what other peeps think,if you say it's a finished song then it is....for you
best, Kevin :)
on the one song a month issue, that could have a quite dramatic effect actually, we would have less reason to pop in to the forum because there would be nothing much happening..maybe :) :)
best again :) :)
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Actually there is a simple solution being that this is a songwriting forum and not a production forum,
all songs submitted should only be guitar vocal....or piano vocal...songwriting in it's purest form,
I'd be up for that..
or we could have a separate forum for the said songs and a separate one for songs with other stuff going on...maybe :) :) :)
best, Kevin :) :)
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I am not sure if you are joking or not but I think the forum split is fine as it is
Most people understand what level of feedback to give based on the song posted and the specific feedback requested
The "song" v "production" argument will just go around in circles and is very much an "opinion" thing
For me a "finished" song can either be the "finished article" (ie a "radio ready" track that will be sent to publishers or released)
OR
A finished vocal and single instrument (eg piano or guitar) to just get across the lyrics, melody etc.
I find the feedback is generally tailored to the needs of the original post - and even if it isn't it can always be ignored!
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Yeah..your right... :)
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I don't think people should feel pressured to keep up with everything. Time is a scarce and precious commodity for many people and I certainly can't keep up so I do my best and go with the flow. That's probably why I spend most time in the lyrics section.
I like things how they are, but will happily adapt to whatever is decided.
I think the mods do a great job, so thanks 😀
GTB
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I don't think I've posted in the "finished songs"; I was waiting until I could figure out the production side. But after reading this, I may post some guitar and vocal stuff there.
1. The 14-day rule applies to "finished songs", I know.
2. Does it apply to "works in progress"?
3. How about "lyrics"?
I've been noticing the songs moving off the front page pretty fast, so I would be okay with a one-a-month rule. I have a really hard time keeping up. I have to skip some songs because I get too far behind.
Vicki
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If you think your song is finished then it is finished and you will of course put it on the finished songs forum..
if you think your song is a WIP then it should not be posted in the finished songs area..
lyrics belong in the lyrics section..
because we are all different so some peeps may not agree that a song is finished properly..particularly if the performance includes mistakes...
A simple guitar or piano based song can be as radio ready as a full production song...no doubt about that..
but consideration should be given to the potential listener and some small effort made to make it sound reasonable to listen to..
I personaly do not want to listen to peoples mistakes..if they cannot be bothered to rehearse it a few times to get it right then I wont be be bothered to listen to it..
abd nobody is under pressure to do anything..put a song up when you want...1 month..2 months..6 months..
it's up to the poster..I dont believe we need a once a month rule because some people cannot deliver once a fortnight...once a fortnight is the earliest posting time between songs, if you wanna post once a month then post once a month..no problemo..
and Vicki..to far behind what?..this is not a race or a competition..just do what you want when you want..chill :) :) :) :)
best, Kevin :) :)
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Personal view is that things are fine as they are :)
John
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I'm guessing that the 14-day rule was put in place originally to stop somebody from joining and then flooding the board with their back catalogue.
I don't suppose it was expected that some might be posting on the dot just because they could.
Personally I find it a bit too much. It isn't just the 'being too busy' factor. I am losing the will.
What about 3 weeks?
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and Vicki..to far behind what?..this is not a race or a competition..just do what you want when you want..chill :) :) :) :)
Too far behind in reading. I [unrealistically] want to read ALL the posts. Taking your advice, sort of, I read the ones that look most interesting, as many as I can, and then at the end of the day, I mark all unread posts as "read".
Vicki
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Viscount mate...if you want to post every three weeks or every three years it's your choice..
you seem to be suggesting that the rule should be changed because your losing the will to write.. ??? ???
surely not.. :) :) :)
and is it really a problem that some people post on the dot because they can? :) :)
best, Kevin :)
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Personal view is that things are fine as they are :)
John
agreed... :) :)
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No, because I am losing the will to listen and comment.
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Whenever i get the time to listen and comment I'm always playing catch-up from the middle of page 2. It is a very fast-moving forum but I guess that's because it is popular.
I would like it to move a bit slower though.
how about you can only post another song when your last one has reached say, 30 comments?
... or a month has passed!
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cam down cam down
my preference would be to keep it the way it is , but equally want the viscount to be happy
plus once a month may well mean the mods hav to be armed to hold back the tide of frustrated troubadours !
i dunno ivanhoe
'finished songs' has to be subjective surely ? how can it not be
'finished productions' is maybe another beast
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No, because I am losing the will to listen and comment.
so listen and comment whenever you want and in your own time my friend..there is no pressure whatsoever!! :) :)
best, Kevin :) :)
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cam down cam down
my preference would be to keep it the way it is , but equally want the viscount to be happy
plus once a month may well mean the mods hav to be armed to hold back the tide of frustrated troubadours !
i dunno ivanhoe
'finished songs' has to be subjective surely ? how can it not be
'finished productions' is maybe another beast
Hi nooms..finished songs is a subjective thing..thats why it has to be up to the songwriter to decide it's finished..other peeps may not agree of course but if the songwriter says it's finished then it is!! :) :) :)
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Whenever i get the time to listen and comment I'm always playing catch-up from the middle of page 2. It is a very fast-moving forum but I guess that's because it is popular.
I would like it to move a bit slower though.
how about you can only post another song when your last one has reached say, 30 comments?
... or a month has passed!
I also play catch up because it's a fast moving forum, but I don't try to slow it down to suite my own personal way of working...there are songwriting forums out there that are much slower, I am a member of a couple...and believe me, when you log in to a forum after a week or so and see absolutely nothing has changed it is very dispiriting...not to say boring :) :) :)
best, Kevin :) :)
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You're right Kevin. I shouldn't worry about it.
It's just that, as a (hopefully) conscientious fellow, I feel an obligation to not let my listening and commenting get slack. The more stuff that's posted the harder this becomes.
Maybe if there was more time between postings we might be able to give more attention to the songs and more detailed analysis which might then spark the poster into giving more insight into his/her thinking behind the crafting of the song and we might all learn something.
I don't think that a conveyor-belt mentality benefits anyone.
Having said this I do agree with you that this forum has a good buzz where some I've looked at seem pretty stagnant.
As with everything it's finding the right balance.
Anyway I'll shut up about it for now.
2½ weeks anyone?
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I'm guessing the conveyor belt mentality is aimed at me and anyone else putting a song up every 2 weeks,
suggesting we have a conveyor mentality is out of order really..we're just creative!!
can you explain why you believe it does not benefit anyone? and how? :) :)
and why have you got a problem with me or anyone else posting songs every 2 weeks?
I'm not trying to be funny my friend I just believe that when stuff is happening it benefits all..
:) :)
best to you :) :)
Kevin :) :)
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Just briefly Kevin though I don't really want to.
On one of your recently posted songs you said twice that you didn't really like the song. If that is the case why did you post it? Why did you even bother to carry on with it?
On another you said that you didn't really spend enough time on it. Why not spend a bit more time on it then?
I just don't see the point in posting every 2 weeks just because you can.
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Just briefly Kevin though I don't really want to.
On one of your recently posted songs you said twice that you didn't really like the song. If that is the case why did you post it? Why did you even bother to carry on with it?
On another you said that you didn't really spend enough time on it. Why not spend a bit more time on it then?
I just don't see the point in posting every 2 weeks just because you can.
Hi, I don't always write songs that I like, I try to write songs that others may like also..and sometimes I realise I didn't spend enough time with a song after I've moved on...I'm just honest about it..
must happen to a lot of songwriters for sure..
I can't believe that on a songwriting site some one is saying ..er hang on a bit mate, can you just be a little bit less creative please..very strange ??? ???
what if 3 or 4 new songwriters joined every week and posted a song? would you want to stop that?
This is an interesting and rather strange conversion to be having on a songwriting website, If I lived near you we could have a laugh and a pint over the stupidity of it...I'd buy. :) :)
maybe you'll get lucky and Tone will cull the too creative too quickly amongst us :) :)
and why does it matter to you so much if anyone posts a song every 2 weeks..why don't you like this?
If you posted a song every day you'd get praise from me..not hey, just stop that will you!!!
best and sincere regards to you mate..not gonna fall out with you over this, I'll be the first to listen to your next song..whenever it comes.. :) :)
best, Kevin :) :) :)
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It's just that, as a (hopefully) conscientious fellow, I feel an obligation to not let my listening and commenting get slack. The more stuff that's posted the harder this becomes.
I completely understand how you feel,Viscount.
I've not posted as regularly as I would like since late last year,due to band commitments and general boring everyday life stuff. This has interfered not only with my time to listen and comment,but getting time to finish off my own projects.
I find at the moment I can't get to listen to anything more than a small fraction of the songs available and it sort of make me also feel like I'm slacking off,but look at it another way Viscount,the forum is busy and healthily active and that is a positive thing.
I've decided to let go of the 'overwhelmed' feeling and just float on the tide of songs,listening to what I can. 8)
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I agree with you Skub..better to have a busy and buzzy songwriting forum with something to aspire to than to try and slow everything down ..I'm very busy and often have to catch up so to speak but would never dream of complaining about it..
I wish all on this forum well, just work at your own pace and enjoy the site..
best, Kevin :) :)