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Songwriter Forum => Competitions => Topic started by: seriousfun on September 09, 2013, 10:20:20 PM
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I wish to propose a new competition idea and I am happy to co-ordinate it providing there is sufficient support for the idea.
SPEED WRITING
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CLOSES : TBA
collaborative pairs, lyrisist and musician, will work together to produce and record a song within a 24 hour time frame. The resulting songs will then be judged by the forum who will mark a judging tickbox judging sheet on following points:
How well at fits the genre 10pts
How well it covers the topic 10pts
Structure 5pts
Lyrical Quality 10 pts
Rhyme Quality 10pts
Feel 5pts
Melodic Appeal 10pts
Catchyness 5 pts
Backing track quality 10pts
Vocal Quality 5pts
Production Quality 10pts
Overall Quality 10pts
TOTAL 100 pts
RULES.
1. The calloborative pairs will be matched from seeded lists secretly compiled by seriousfun who will endevour to make the teams as even as is possible.
2. the lyricist must be the driving force behind the lyrics though some input is compulsory from the musician.
3. the musician must be the driving force behind the playing and recording but the lyrisist must appear on the track in some form.
4. A genre and subject topic will be advised at the commencement time to prevent participants from planning in advance.
5. no acapellas. or instrumentals allowed.
6. song duration must be between 2 and 3 mins.
7. songs must be posted on soundcloud before the 24 hour deadline.
8. no late entries excepted. no excuses.
9. each person may enter twice if desired. once as a lyricist and once as a musician.
10. more rules as yet unidentified, but watch this space as i may need to add rules at various times to maintain a competitive advantage.
thats the concept, now i just wait to see if it has traction. if you atre interested in taking part please pm me and i will add you to the growing list.
Allan.
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reserved for final results.
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reserved for final songs list
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reserved for list of collaborators.
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Just a couple of questions.
1. Do you pair up the musician and lyricist?
2. Isn't 24 hours a little too short to contact each other, write, record and produce the song?
diadem
ps it sounds like hard work which could be fun
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my idea of matching lyricists to musicians is to secretly ( so no-one is offended) compile two seeded lists. one of lyrisists and one of musicians and reverse match them. ie: best musicians with worst lyrisists and visa versa. that should make the contest as even as possible.
24 hours too short? lol i had been contemplating an hour lol.
I think as long as its over a weekend period it should be fine. Its a pressure situation and thats the whole concept. Of course with me down in the pacific the competition will close 12 hours later muhahahah
Allan.
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" Of course with me down in the pacific" that sounds so exotic Allan ....when the weathers turning colder in old Blighty..........what is your family history?
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very sketchy my friend ;D ;D
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very sketchy my friend ;D ;D
Convicts then. :o
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Wrong country. The convicts went to Australia. Here in NZ we had to breed our own.
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Wrong country. The convicts went to Australia. Here in NZ we had to breed our own.
Pirates? shipwrecked victims..?sheep rustlers! £10 poms who didn't like AUS..the mind boggles mate.
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I love the amount of detail your competition has...you've spent waaaay too much time thinking about this ;D
However, is it right to match best and worst lyricists and musicians, won't that make people feel degraded if they're with a really talented musician (which most people here are) because they feel that that makes them the 'worst'?
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I love the amount of detail your competition has...you've spent waaaay too much time thinking about this ;D
However, is it right to match best and worst lyricists and musicians, won't that make people feel degraded if they're with a really talented musician (which most people here are) because they feel that that makes them the 'worst'?
Good point Jess..by this reasoning i would be paired with......., well i`d better not say :)
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I love the amount of detail your competition has...you've spent waaaay too much time thinking about this ;D
However, is it right to match best and worst lyricists and musicians, won't that make people feel degraded if they're with a really talented musician (which most people here are) because they feel that that makes them the 'worst'?
Good point Jess..by this reasoning i would be paired with......., well i`d better not say :)
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I think it's a good idea to match people (opposed to picking them yourselves) but maybe we should do it out a hat or something?
Someone could make a YouTube video where they write all the participants names on paper and stick them in a hat- if it's you Allan you could use one of your snazzy ones like you wore in your live stream :D and then they could post that video to the competition thread (to avoid any 'cheating')
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Thanks for the reply Allan, I'll be in as a musician. It takes me far to long to write words. I don't mind be categorised towards the bottom of the musician's list.
diadem
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So long as I'm not paired with myself I dont mind!!
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Having a private seeding list was my of trying to avoid embarrassing peeps but it appears that may not be effective. As attractive as I am in a at I am not keen on that idea either incase I end up drawing Jess and then my music would be overshadowed by her lyrics.
Perhaps if entrants gave themselves a rating when they entered then the would be able to seed themselves, so no complaints then?
What say you folks?
Allan.
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Allan,
Could do or keep it simple and randomly draw people..
:)
Neil
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I think I'll cross that bridge down the road. First I need to gather en
Ough participants to make it worth while. ATM I have doubts...
Allan.
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Just a thought Allan, if you struggle to get people to play...
Open it up to solo entries as well.
My main concern about entering is not being able to get it done, and letting my partner down. If it was an open entry, solo thing, people can enter on a whim when it starts, if they have time..
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I'd like to enter as a musician, but it all depends on when this is supposed to go down.
24 hours is quite a challenge though, as well as the predifined genre...
Might be hard to pick the right time as well, good luck finding a 24h window that works for all participants.
Or am I misunderstanding something here?
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Having a private seeding list was my of trying to avoid embarrassing peeps but it appears that may not be effective. As attractive as I am in a at I am not keen on that idea either incase I end up drawing Jess and then my music would be overshadowed by her lyrics.
Perhaps if entrants gave themselves a rating when they entered then the would be able to seed themselves, so no complaints then?
I'm sorry Allan I'll TRY and be less amazing but I can't guarantee anything ;D ;D ;D
But seeing as everyone here seems to be very modest, I think everyone would rate themselves really low therefore there's kind of another flaw in that plan :(
Unless people PM each other and pick their own partners? I don't know, that could be a bit predictable though...
Just a thought Allan, if you struggle to get people to play...
Open it up to solo entries as well.
My main concern about entering is not being able to get it done, and letting my partner down. If it was an open entry, solo thing, people can enter on a whim when it starts, if they have time..
I don't really see the point of solo entries, how would it work because you could have an already finished song that you send in for the competition even though it wasn't made in 24 hours? Plus, isn't the point to get more people collaborating?
Although, maybe it could be 48 hours instead of 24 if people are finding the time frame difficult? I've never 'produced' a track so I have no idea how long it takes :)
It's like a game of musical ideas badminton :D
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Hi Allan,
given the short timescale I don't really see any alternative to somebody picking the two people who will write and record the song. We are entering the unknown. If we do one and its successful it will make it easier to do the next. We'd also have a concrete example of how everything worked or didn't. What needs to be changed and what doesn't.
So, having said that I've no objection to you picking the pairs for the first competition, setting a date and seeing what happens.
Who knows it could be fun.
diadem
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Interesting idea...but I don't think it will work for me...I'm in another time zone so 24 hours would be
more like 8 :o :o
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I don't think it will have an impact Suzy as 24 hours affords everyone the exact same timeframe, 12 at night and 12 day. I also have a vastly different time zone but then I have the advantage of also being an experienced time traveller so as long as my tardis doesn't break down I should be sweet.
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But if you're collaborating with someone on the other side of the world, they'd be sleeping while I'm
awake and vice versa and whose time zone do you go by to calculate the 24 hr start to finish ??? ???
Cool that you are a time traveler 8) so I'm I 8) I also travel in different dimensions :o do you? ;D
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I think this is a really interesting idea and I wish I could take part. Unfortunately, I have a young, demanding family and can pretty much guarantee that I won't be able to commit the time to it :-( (I usually do my writing and recording in small snatched moments of time over a quite long period). As habiTat mentioned earlier, I wouldn't want to risk letting my partner down.
Good luck with it though, I look forward to hearing the results.
Rhysian x
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I think it's a great idea and sounds really fun.... But I think I'd be pretty awful at it... I don't think I'd work well at speed...everything is a slow process for me...and like others would be worried about letting my partner down....... I hope you find enough though as I'd love to hear the results!
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CRYSTALSUZY WHERE DO YOU COME FROM!? :o
(...I'm not stalking you I'm just curious :D)
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hi Allan,
this could be frustratingly funny count me in for lyrics mate,
tony...
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CRYSTALSUZY WHERE DO YOU COME FROM!? :o
(...I'm not stalking you I'm just curious :D)
Hi Jess...I live in Canada in a small town on the west coast :) :) How about you?
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CRYSTALSUZY WHERE DO YOU COME FROM!? :o
(...I'm not stalking you I'm just curious :D)
Hi Jess...I live in Canada in a small town on the west coast :) :) How about you?
Canada sounds nice, when I heard your recording in 'the girl with the heart balloon' I though you were Scottish... ;D I'm from England☔☔☔☔☔☔☔☔☔☔☔
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Hi Allan,
I can't guarantee being able to take part as i work weird hours at short notice. However, if you have a standby list you can pop me on it - so if anyone pulls out at the last minute, and I'm free, i will step in. Someone may end up with the short straw!
Cheers,
Digger
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hey allan, love this idea, would be really interesting and fun! count me in for lyrics mate
Cheers james
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I love the amount of detail your competition has...you've spent waaaay too much time thinking about this ;D
However, is it right to match best and worst lyricists and musicians, won't that make people feel degraded if they're with a really talented musician (which most people here are) because they feel that that makes them the 'worst'?
I never even THOUGHT of that. I was just wondering how bad I'd have to stink it up with some bad lyrics to get matched with some of the really GOOD musicians here.
Or would that be cheating?