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Title: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 14, 2020, 08:36:13 PM
A few years ago I visited the beautiful region of the UK’s ‘Lake District’ on a snowy weekend in February. We did a boat trip on the lake we were staying near and later, in the shoreside town, I shelled out about a hundred quid on a limited edition print of the winter lake vista. The little art gallery shop seemed to be doing steady trade.

I was looking at the print today and wondering how is it that a few lesser known visual artists can make a living out their paintings, but it’s rare these days for lesser known songwriters to make any cash at all from their creations?

Just as I bought a limited edition print of a painting, I wondered if it would be possible to sell a limited edition of my songs. Or would people just not be interested.

Say any one of us had a place to sell say 50 limited edition digital copies of our songs, could a new kind of collectors market be established?

I’ve thought of a bit more detail to it, but for now wondered what others might think. Why can’t songs be sold as limited edition collector material rather than just broadcast for free?

I’d love to hear any thoughts.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Wicked Deeds on September 14, 2020, 09:51:27 PM
@MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274)

My take on your question is that music has been almost completely devalued.  Too many people write (some poorly and others well). Too many people fall over themselves to give their work away freely.  Consequently, their work is devalued. I think if you are dedicated and hone your craft over many years, you are bound to write music of a high standard. I'd also add that writers work so much harder than previously.  Consider how the folk on the forum play almost every instrument and produce the songs that they present yet sadly, there is rarely any monetary reward.  Too often, it isn't worth a bean. When I was a boy, I loved to paint and draw. I'm sure, had I continued this art form, I would have sold a number of paintings. My skill as a writer is many times greater than my artistic painting skill yet I am convinced I will be lucky to sell 5 albums throughout my lifetime.  So far, I have sold 1 album only.  Sad beyond belief!

Paul
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: adamfarr on September 15, 2020, 08:44:22 AM
Answer is yes. This is now a thing. I can't remember the name of the guy (rapper? in NY I think) who makes 150 vinyls of each album only and sells them for $$$. Not a well known name but I believe they are good and collectably made. Possibly you have to do a lot of gigs and get a dedicated following first. I'll try and find who...


Of course, you could go full wu tang clan and make only one copy which no-one ever gets to hear and you then auction to your millionaire fans...
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Wicked Deeds on September 15, 2020, 08:54:48 AM
I do find this to be a fascinating thread.  It's really tied up with your marketing skills and of course supply and demand.    I don't write to make money. I used to years ago but I gave up on that's idea so I accept the blame for having only sold one CD to date.  I believe it's more likely that an individual can make more money helping others to chase or realise their dreams of being a songwriter through their musical and production skills.  People will pay for a good quality musical production of their songs.  Songwriting has to be one area where you can develop your skills to a high standard yet still struggle to earn money from it.  If you practiced for example, your carpentry skills for 30 years, surely, you would be good enough to earn cash from your work.  A song is a different animal all together.  What does it take to get someone to buy a song?  When I think of my music buying history, I only buy music that's I love.  It has to be a statement of who I am.  This is a great thread.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: PaulAds on September 15, 2020, 09:47:35 AM
Aye..

Jesus was most likely an excellent carpenter and look where it got him. And yet the clown who fitted my kitchen is always holidaying abroad when he's not swanning around in his fancy car or his expensive house...despite making a shit job of it.

Thread ruined. Sorry 😀
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 15, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
Thanks @Wicked Deeds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19231) and @adamfarr (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20124) for coming into the thread.

I think Paul’s summary of how hard we can work to hone our songwriting skills, yet see less reward than if we practiced other crafts, is a good reflection of how I have been feeling - and how looking at that Lake District print made me feel. But trying to compete in the streaming market seems pretty pointless as a little guy. Well if you are hoping to earn a little something too.

So my thoughts have been straying to what Adam was saying- just selling your music to a limited number of people as collectors items. It’s kind of happened before in history. In the late 70s and early 80s a lot of punk and new wave bands put out their own vinyl, just a few hundred copies. There was a maybe nerdy or passionate group of what could be called collectors - many in the US - who took pride in collecting rare records from barely known bands. It was as if the more obscure the band was, then the more collectible their record.

I am wondering if a new ‘collectors market’ could be established where songwriters could sell say 100 only of a song to buyers who liked the idea of owning something of quality, but exclusive. The second motivation for the buyer would be kind of sponsoring an artist that they liked...

Anyway, that’s where my thoughts are going...and I’m going to think this out some more. The name of that rapper would be good Adam, if it comes to mind.

Thoughts from more of you would be welcome!
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Wicked Deeds on September 15, 2020, 09:54:18 AM
@PaulAds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20253),

Never mind your cowboy carpenter, get in your studio and record your vocal and guitar so I can help you realise your musical dreams 🎸🤣🎶

Paul
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 15, 2020, 09:55:31 AM
Thanks @PaulAds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20253), well Jesus has sold several million copies worldwide of his book. So not really the lesser known type of practitioner I am talking about.  ;)
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Wicked Deeds on September 15, 2020, 10:02:50 AM
@MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274)

Sorry if I have steered this into a slightly different territory.

I think paintings  are a tangible artistic item. We can see that we have something for our hard earned cash when we buy a painting.

I do think someone would buy a limited edition of a song but also believe your marketing strategy would have to be really good to find that niche buyer, including an attractive presentation package, i.e something tangible to accompany the sale like a certificate as an example.  I think it's a niche market e.g a celebration of an occasion like a wedding anniversary. 

Paul
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Wicked Deeds on September 15, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
@MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274),

As long as people are willing to give their music away for free, they reduce the value of their product.  Items that are scarce have a monetary value.  The more I think about your idea/suggestion, I begin to see that it has mileage.  I'd say that it is time that writers made a stand and stopped the practice of devaluing their art by giving it away for free!

Paul
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: PaulAds on September 15, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
Thanks @PaulAds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20253), well Jesus has sold several million copies worldwide of his book. So not really the lesser known type of practitioner I am talking about.  ;)

And never made him a ha'penny 😀

I think the first accounts of his story didn't appear until about 50 years after his death. They were (holy) ghost written, I suppose. It perhaps highlights the need to get your product out there and copyrighted in order to avoid being ripped-off.

His book sales over the years have seemed pretty poor in his own locality. They do say "You're never a prophet in your own land"
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: PaulAds on September 15, 2020, 10:20:58 AM
@PaulAds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20253),

Never mind your cowboy carpenter, get in your studio and record your vocal and guitar so I can help you realise your musical dreams 🎸🤣🎶

Paul

Cheers, Paul @Wicked Deeds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19231) hoping to get something done tonight.

I recorded six full vocal tracks on Sunday and they were all awful...i would have been embarrassed to send them over to you, so I deleted them and will try again.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: pompeyjazz on September 15, 2020, 11:13:00 AM
I think the limited edition vinyl route is worth investigating.  Our local record shop Pie & Vinyl which sells pies and vinyl promotes vinyl limited edition releases each year on record store day. Anybody know how much it would cost to press 100 vinyl singles ?

https://www.pandvrecords.co.uk/
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MrBouzouki on September 15, 2020, 04:28:17 PM
Hi @MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274) , yes I think you could try. Obviously you need physical media but perhaps more importantly you need a niche audience I think.

Identify the target audience, write material they would like and then target forums, newsletters (do people still do these ? ), blog posts, social media people who are in that niche. A crazy example, you write a load of songs about say biking, the culture, the thrills, the camaraderie etc. then target social media sites, magazines, bike clubs etc.

Yes you reduce your audience pool but you instead make something special in a restricted group. you aren't limiting your numbers but you are responding to a group of people who might be crying out for say the next "Bat Out of Hell". LOL

A few likes later, it maybe become a thing to be sold at biking events and rallies and you have an audience who respond to the fact that you wrote something especially for them.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



 
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MrBouzouki on September 15, 2020, 04:50:35 PM
@MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274) ...expanding on this idea of niche a bit, certain artists in the instrumental music fields have done very well out out identifying an audience and writing music for that audience.

A good example is David and his wife Diane Arkenstone who jumped on the "New Age" band-wagon and has made a career out of it.

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David Arkenstone (born July 1, 1952) is an American composer and performer. His music is primarily instrumental, with occasional vocalizations. Most of Arkenstone's music falls into new age category; however, he also worked in other genres, including even a heavy metal soundtrack for Emperor: Battle for Dune video game. His music has been described as 'soundtracks for the imagination'. Throughout his career, Arkenstone released over 50 albums and composed music for video games, including World of Warcraft, and for television, including NBC's Kentucky Derby. David has been nominated for Grammy Awards four times.

Granted, instrumental music is different in some ways but the point is not the rarity but the specialisation of the music he makes.

Add lyrics into the equation and you can reflect on the hopes and dreams of a smaller target audience in place of trying to target everybody .
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: cowparsleyman on September 16, 2020, 10:48:43 AM
@MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274) - I agree with Adam, of course they can be sold like paintings, but I guess you would be more likely to buy a Lake District painting in the Lake District, than in Cornwall. So there is a direct association there.

With music it's a bit different, there's a bit more effort required, you have to spend time to listen to the songs, there's allsorts of factors that'll put someone off a song, the voice, the lyrics, the mix...with a painting it's immediate, no time investment, other than walking into the gallery = -BANG that's nice, I've got the cash, somewhere to put it = buy it.

a bit rambling I know but hey ho....

Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: CharlieSmith on September 16, 2020, 12:46:16 PM
This is a very interesting idea. It does seem silly that you got pay like 8 quid for a standard CD where as for my Favorite CD I could and would play alot more. It weird because limited edition and vinyl's can be worth a lot but never for the artist. I tend to like selling my music via bandcamp because people can pay what they want music could be worth alot to some people and others not so much. But as an artist you need to support yourself.

I make all my CD's myself. Artwork and burn them. I take quite a lot of effort to be fair. I have two different version if you like. The hardcase version which I only do a limited number and they are all numbered. For example my lastest EP I have made 8 copyies. And the other version which is the same CD just put into a plastic folding case. I usually sell them alot cheaper and could even give them away because they take little effort or money.

My new stuff I really have to think about the physical CD more as I will be trying tell sell alot more via bandcamp etc. But yeah at the moment that is what it is.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 16, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Hi @MrBouzouki (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22320), nice to come across you here. That’s an interesting idea about going niche by following people’s interests. Someone could be the go-to songwriter for fishermen, for example. But I can’t see myself being that motivated to write so narrowly. But others might, for sure.

@Wicked Deeds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19231), I like your idea of the certificate. Plus I think @pompeyjazz (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20269) is right about limited edition vinyl. Then you would have something tangible to sell. But the limited edition element has to be the key, and a numbered certificate signed by the artist would help. Especially if the Press run was only 50 or 100.

@cowparsleyman (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21308) I get your differentiation between paintings and music, but if you do like a music artist you have got to know well I think people would still pay out for something that is ‘limited’ in nature. Not that I think you wouldn’t agree with that. But yeah, paintings are more ‘instant’.

Hi @CharlieSmith (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22647), welcome to the forum. It sounds like you know quite a bit about this anyway with your own CDs. In this idea I’m thinking that maybe CDs don’t have the same ‘collector’ kudos as vinyl. Might be wrong, not sure. Thanks for joining in!

———————

So ....basically over the past couple of years I have plonked about 20 songs onto my Soundcloud account. They are all there and the whole account gets a few plays a day, but they aren’t going anywhere or doing anything. I’m not likely to earn anything from them, unless a miracle occurs! But @PaulAds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20253)  has dissed Jesus in this thread, so that ain’t gonna happen now! 😉

But I know there’s loads of people out there too who just do this for a hobby and as creative stimulation. Sometimes you hear about one or two on here who have made a CD album out of their stuff. I get that, it becomes a kind of keepsake and personal artefact to mark a period of creative achievement. I was thinking maybe I should do the same...

I think I am going to at least price up a limited run of a vinyl album. I am thinking of a real limited run of 50.

But thinking more broadly I am wondering if a website could be set up that would sell limited run, signed, numbered and certificated Vinyl albums by people like a lot of us? I’d rather 50 people have a rare collection of my songs than nobody. And if there was a destination marketplace/website for this kind of thing, then an audience/collector base might grow????

But the price ...what would people pay. £30...less, more... The ‘sell’ would have to be all about the limited and one-time nature of the product, something that is ‘collectible’.

Anyhow that’s where my mind is wandering for now. Thanks to all who have joined in. Keep it coming if you want, 😉

Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: cowparsleyman on September 16, 2020, 02:46:44 PM
@MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274) - Usually a 'Limited Run' is associated with an established brand, i.e. Gibson Customer Shop... It might come over a bit pretentious, for example...

Limited Edition of cowparsleyman at only £50 per CD including signed certificate...when I've not sold any at 99p, what's in it for the purchaser? Maybe use your 2nd String (but good inc a hooky single) songs on the limited edition and then, put your best stuff on the follow up album? save the pain of the 2nd album blues.

However I have noticed that some 'secondary' brand like Epiphone are hiking up their prices on Limited editions, Les Pauls for £600, The Texan acoustic for £2.5k

Maybe it's like a Lada limited edition...

Just Ideas Michael...I'll bbe very interested in it should you go ahead with the idea.

Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: pompeyjazz on September 16, 2020, 03:37:58 PM
@MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274) Songs for fishermen eh ? Now that's interesting. Of course like everything it's been done before. Who can forget the Beach Boys classic, "Cod only knows" And believe it or not...............

https://countryhookers.com/country-music-songs-about-fishing/#:~:text=%2022%20Country%20Music%20Songs%20About%20Fishing%20,5%20Fish%20%E2%80%93%20Craig%20Campbell.%20%20More%20

 ;D ;D ;D ;D







Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 16, 2020, 05:35:38 PM
@cowparsleyman (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21308) , thanks Rich for being so honestly sceptical of the idea. It’s no good if everyone agrees with it, then I try it and it fails miserably  ;D But I wouldn’t buy an album for 99p either. Sounds like it is in the Clearance Bin.

So I have just been reading about some art galleries that like to have just 30 limited editions of a print, all signed and numbered. They often start out selling numbers 1 - 10 for the smallest price. As the edition starts to sell out, so the price goes up. The scarcity principle kicks in.  Bit like airline tickets. I quite like that as a transferable idea...

Yeah @pompeyjazz (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20269) there was bound to be some fisherman songs. Cheers for bringing this thread down to a sea bass level. Now sling yer hook!  ;)
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: adamfarr on September 16, 2020, 07:46:06 PM
Could the answer be to combine the two - make the sleeve real art, teaming up with an unknown artist? So the purchaser gets a thing of sonic and optic beauty...

By the way I couldn't for the life of me locate the article about the guy with the 150 album copies, sorry.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: pompeyjazz on September 16, 2020, 08:25:19 PM
https://www.mobineko.com/short-run-vinyl/
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 16, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Thanks Adam, well what I agree with there is the packaging needs to be extra beautiful, either in a tactile or visual way. All adds to the exclusivity feel of the item.

Thanks too John, I’ll forgive you the fisherman pun now  ;D. I’m thinking a short run, either 50 or 100 needs to come in at under £10, including all the packaging. You’d at least have a chance of minimising your loss then if it totally bombs.

Has anyone on the forum actually commissioned short run vinyl in recent years? Any shared experiences would be great.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: hardtwistmusic on September 17, 2020, 12:30:19 AM
An established songwriter explained the following to me in fairly graphic terms in 2009.  "It's gotten to where you can't," he said, "swing a dead cat without hitting a songwriter" in today's world. 

There are far more accomplished, but unappreciated songwriters in todays world than there were just a short few decades ago.  And the market has changed.  No one is out 'beating the bushes' for new songwriting talent.  Many people worry about having their songs 'stolen,' but the real challenge is getting them heard, not protecting them from being 'taken.' 

I suspect that painters are less likely to paint with the idea of becoming famous than songwriters are.  The mythical allure of 'sex, drugs, rock and roll and immense riches' draws many people to the music 'world.'  But 'sex, drugs, rock and roll are for only a very few.' 

For painters, there is little chance of having a showing and having young teenage groupies banging on your door after the showing to offer their bodies.  The 'worship factor' is known to be smaller in the 'painting world.' 

For songwriters, and musicians, the chance of that happening is probably equally small, but painters KNOW the chance is small, and not all songwriters do. 

I also think that painting might be more of a 'restful hobby' than songwriting, again because of the allure of the music mythology. 

Regarding the 'limited edition' concept.  The point of having a painting by Van Goh is that none of your friends will  have one, and they will be either impressed or jealous.  The point of having a recording by Van Halen is that your friends can admire you for sharing their tastes.  I can't imagine a world where people will be impressed and jealous because you have a song they've never heard, or even heard OF.  Based solely on my world experiences, that isn't likely to happen.  Your world may be far different from mine, and so I can't predict that this can't work somewhere, but it won't work among my circle of family, friends, and acquaintances.   

That's a longwinded way of saying, "No, I don't think the songwriting world can be correlated to the painting world in this way.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: 5 guys named Lars on September 17, 2020, 02:35:07 AM
Interesting thread @MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274). I think it can be rewarding having a physical piece if just for your own legacy. I think we all know you can't make money on SoundCloud but it can be used for marketing.. get a following and then delete songs making them only available via payment. There are a few writers on this forum I would gladly pay for a song or two I like but if it's on SoundCloud most people won't.
Sometimes when I've got one foot hanging precariously over the bread line I've thought about selling a song, reneging all credits/possible royalties for £30 (cash in hand! luvly jubbly! Everyones a winner!). There is apparently a market for this!? (though it could be a Danish thing? 😊As long as I know I'd written it I wouldn't care about credit or recognition.. Give me the money! (call me a cynical, money grabbing old trout if you like but I love it when you talk dirty). 😁
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: cowparsleyman on September 17, 2020, 07:11:43 AM

I love it that so many song writers can turn their ideas into reality.

I know a very talented vocalist and songwriter, i thinks shes mid twenties, just released her EP but she still reckons she might get a wheelbarrow full of wallop for her efforts. I hope she’s right.

Maybe it’s changed a bit but unless you looked right, a deal was hard to get, they wanted a face for the posters , its all about branding, the merch the interviews the cameos on children’s tv etc etc..

Do a bit of painting mostly oils...not living from the profits....


Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Kafla on September 17, 2020, 07:40:41 AM
Really interesting thread. I’m sceptical to be honest @MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274) , sorry ! But I do like a challenge lol...so...

You bought that painting because at that moment in time you were swept away with the euphoria of being on holiday and wanted to bookmark that feeling for future reference.

How could you do that with your music ?

Finding the right distribution outlet would help ? Maybe the souvenir / ornament / trinket / tourist shop ? Give them 5/10 copies for free and let them keep a % of the sale price. Talk them through the sales pitch - local musician selling ltd edition vinyl. 

Engage a local artist to design the cover. Let’s face it most of the purchases are going to be made in the same fashion you bought your painting. I recently bought a painting of our favourite boozer in Glasgow - £45 commissioned directly from the artist. Consumers might purchase based on the cover alone and want to display it in the same fashion as a painting.

Try and book in a 30min presentation / Q&A at the shop - go up and sell your goods / promote yourself. Design an online sales pitch to promote your idea and share on social media.

I think ultimately we can sell anything if we put enough energy into it!
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 17, 2020, 03:57:12 PM
Thanks all...looks like there are more votes against than votes for.

It seems a lot of us seem world weary about the state of the music business and totally pessimistic about our own chances of success. It’s interesting too that most of us remain pretty enthusiastic about music making, despite all this. That’s pretty great actually, as it shows we are getting the buzz from something more than the hope of fame or wealth.

But @hardtwistmusic (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19215) , you can’t swing dead cats anymore in 2020, as it isn’t politically correct. Just trying to be helpful...but thanks for your blunt honesty on the wider subject which wasn’t what I wanted to read, but was glad I did.

@5 guys named Lars (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22535) , if you ever need £30 for a song don’t sell Holly!

@kafla (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=6905), wasn’t your last song a bookmark for yourself of a time and place in your life? Maybe the thing about wanting something tangible to keep draws me to wanting more than an audio file. Your family video added value for sure. It would be good to keep that in some kind of time capsule certainly. If it were a painting it would be easier...

But all of which is leading me to conclude the idea of getting people to pay premium money for music is not really going to happen. Shame...I’ll keep dreaming.

But if anybody wants to passionately disagree, then let’s hear it.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Kafla on September 17, 2020, 04:59:50 PM
I tried to answer the question re music being sold like paintings.

I think if your talking about making money from your records then there are hundreds of actions we all could take. There are many labels that accept demos free , tonnes of radio stations and many letters we could write.

I just get a total buzz out of making music. Every time I write I song I can’t believe it - from 12 notes - unreal 😍

Don’t lose heart @MichaelA (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=21274) 👍 I see you have written and published a book - some achievement 😍
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Kafla on September 17, 2020, 05:39:30 PM
I just got an advert for songlorious on my Facebook feed 😳

Searching for a gift they'll actually cherish? In 3 easy steps you can have a one-of-a-kind song made to capture a special moment.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: 5 guys named Lars on September 18, 2020, 08:22:22 AM
I just got an advert for songlorious on my Facebook feed 😳

Searching for a gift they'll actually cherish? In 3 easy steps you can have a one-of-a-kind song made to capture a special moment.

Along the same lines I`ve got a great power pop ballad about haemorrhoids if anyones interested.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Kafla on September 18, 2020, 08:31:23 AM
I just got an advert for songlorious on my Facebook feed 😳

Searching for a gift they'll actually cherish? In 3 easy steps you can have a one-of-a-kind song made to capture a special moment.

Along the same lines I`ve got a great power pop ballad about haemorrhoids if anyones interested.

Pile in mate 😜🤣
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 18, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
Hi @kafla (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=6905) , yeah sorry if this strayed momentarily off topic. I was just kind of responding to a couple of other contributors who’d talked about poor prospects of success for songwriters. But I’m not interested in working out how to ‘make it’ here, thanks. Plus thanks for the encouragement re my book, which a steady trickle of people buy for 12 quid, or more likely 3 quid on Kindle.

After all the responses I was trying to seek validity of this idea for a limited edition vinyl album - just 50 copies. Legacy value for me, but would anyone else consider paying a premium for it because a) it is rare and b) it could be argued to be collectible.

They look like they are about 12 quid a shot to produce, and I would get the artwork for free as I have a professional graphic designer in the family. So £600 risk.

Sell 50 at 12 quid and I break even, of course.

But in this thread I wasn’t talking about breaking even, but making a small profit. Selling all the albums for £20 would mean £400 profit. Big deal for the pick of two years songwriting!   Yet I know now that most of you would be pessimistic about even that being possible. But as a painter I’d maybe be looking at getting say £100 for a print, going back to my original purchase in my OP. But I bet most people wouldn’t think I would get just £20 for an album.

Oh well, it is what it is. I will keep puzzling over this. There must be a solution somewhere. Meanwhile, I’ll just continue enjoying my wonderful hobby! Thanks to all who contributed to this!

And by the way @5 guys named Lars (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22535) , I also have a song about a bloke with a hernia. Maybe a medical condition compilation album is on its way!  ;)

Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: adamfarr on September 18, 2020, 10:00:48 AM
I saw an ad this morning saying "you know who pays for music these days? Brands, they spend loads of money trying to get our attention." Probably true. A bit of a sell out though to set out to write about products and services? I reckon you might be quite good at it though... 
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on September 18, 2020, 10:44:48 AM
Brilliant idea @adamfarr (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20124). I will speak to Hip Hop Grandad about this immediately. Surely Co-op Funerals and Stannah Stairlifts, to name just two, could do with some entertaining social media content!  ;)
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: cowparsleyman on September 18, 2020, 10:54:16 AM
Yeah...Got me thinking about other Forum members....

@IronKnee (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20409) - Knee joint replacements
@5 guys named Lars (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22535) - Durex
@pompeyjazz (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20269) - Post Volcanic Eruption Cleaning Specialists
@Wicked Deeds (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=19231) - Uk Government


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Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: CharlieSmith on September 20, 2020, 08:43:01 PM
50 is alot more  than you think. I have freinds and family and it would stil be alot to shift 20 copies of anything. More expesnive products are harder to sell as well. If the music is already free can't see why to many people would buy it anyway unless they really want to support you and thats takes hardcore fans. Peopple won't even give you likes on social media lol.

Up to you what you do but just making an expensive product I don't think it will sell. Promotion is the key to everything because there  is just so much dam music about  ;D
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: adamfarr on March 22, 2021, 01:44:49 PM
NFTs! It's coming:
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: Wicked Deeds on March 23, 2021, 09:54:26 AM
Man, he can talk. Still it's super interesting. Great find @adamfarr (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=20124) .

Marketing music is such a headache. Typically songwriters aren't too good at this aspect of the music business and I am no exception.   Personally, I'm past caring about musical success and the pursuit of it. (Isn't that true for most of us?). It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds in the years to come.

I was watching and thinking about one of my favourite writers,  Roddy Frame who wrote the following many years ago before music fell into the sorry state that's it is today.

"Music's food 'til the art biz folds. Let them all eat culture." I guess that's where most amateur songwriters like myself are today.

Again, great find Adam.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: MichaelA on March 23, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
Good share Adam.  ;) I’ll Google for more...Wouldn’t it be great if one of us actually sold one of these?
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: adamfarr on March 23, 2021, 11:33:03 AM
Maybe some of the IT whizzes on here are into blockchain and could work out how to make these - also a business idea, someone will become the goto NFT creator for musos and rake off some $$$$.
Title: Re: Could music be sold like paintings?
Post by: adamfarr on March 23, 2021, 01:35:20 PM
This guy just made some and put them up for sale (cost so far $57 or whatever that is in ETH):