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Songwriter Forum => Resources & Marketing => Topic started by: Whiskey Club on January 06, 2024, 03:00:42 PM
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https://streamable.com/ytgyu4
It won't be cheap , but hopefully effective
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https://streamable.com/ytgyu4
It won't be cheap , but hopefully effective
Like it. The test reels that I ran on Facebook gave a rich set of engagement analytics that can be used to improve the content for the next wave of tests. I never thought of setting up a group or trying to attract likes to the page. Have just tested conversion so far. Interesting.
One crucial point in that podcast is his mention of the fragility of new Facebook accounts. I have had mine shutdown once and have been banned from advertising twice. Now I have been denied two factor authentication so could be at risk of losing the account permanently. The way around this is GET META VERIFIED. I am on the waiting list for it. It’s £10 per month in the UK but it is the only way to get access to a Facebook help desk and without that access it is easy to lose your account and all the content within permanently and with no recourse.
Cheers - John.
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https://streamable.com/ytgyu4
It won't be cheap , but hopefully effective
Like it. The test reels that I ran on Facebook gave a rich set of engagement analytics that can be used to improve the content for the next wave of tests. I never thought of setting up a group or trying to attract likes to the page. Have just tested conversion so far. Interesting.
One crucial point in that podcast is his mention of the fragility of new Facebook accounts. I have had mine shutdown once and have been banned from advertising twice. Now I have been denied two factor authentication so could be at risk of losing the account permanently. The way around this is GET META VERIFIED. I am on the waiting list for it. It’s £10 per month in the UK but it is the only way to get access to a Facebook help desk and without that access it is easy to lose your account and all the content within permanently and with no recourse.
Cheers - John.
I had a Business FB for 8 years . I got pissed off and shut it down, since I lost old phone number I could not restart it . So we started a new one
The reason we could not run FB ads after retartarting it with old one . To have a business' FB page you need a website .
https://www.facebook.com/elvisnashofficial/
Here's what I did i bought a course to follow , The Tik Tok star out of Peru is studying to get results , In turn for me buying course , He will work off the money helping me , In turn he will use it for himself , thats the voice you hear on that vid , or podcast whatever you want to call it .
fragility of new Facebook accounts ? I'm not sure on that . I would not be surprised
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To quote an old Specials song, “It’s all a load of bollocks”
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To quote an old Specials song, “It’s all a load of bollocks”
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Yes its all bullshit to put up with to make money off music
It comes down to how much you want to put up with really
I have nothing else to do , but to play the music game P lol
I'm old like Willie Nelson , all i need is a horse
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Were runnng a few tik tok vids , I don't know if young people will like me lol , well see
them old black blues players do pretty good with young people
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Were runnng a few tik tok vids , I don't know if young people will like me lol , well see
them old black blues players do pretty good with young people
Off to find you on TikTok. I’ve yet to crack it. I’ve a video with 20k views, hundreds of clicks to my landing page and zero plays. Persuading people to like and follow is not so hard but persuading them to leave the TikTok platform for a minute is another ask altogether. It is fun to experiment though. Will get there in the end.
As to age. I have hundreds of likes today on a video of me singing straight to camera and I am 60. Admittedly the best cat who ever lived is featured in the first 1.5 seconds along with me so I am under no illusion as to who is getting the likes but it is getting a lot of play and most of it is of my wrinkly visage.
Real time update. I can’t find you. What’s your TikTok name?
Cheers - John.
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I'll ask my manager where am I on Tik Tok , We've been busy on funnel pages and FB ads
wrinkly visage ha ha ha right
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I'll ask my manager where am I on Tik Tok , We've been busy on funnel pages and FB ads
wrinkly visage ha ha ha right
This is my latest in all its gory detail:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeMmSRmH/
I am @whiskey.club3
See you over on the dark side ;)
Cheers - John.
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That works , I guess you can pin studio version in comments , on whatever song
nice pad man I'm jealous lol
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That works , I guess you can pin studio version in comments , on whatever song
nice pad man I'm jealous lol
You need 1000 followers to be allowed to link out of TikTok and I am only at 400 but, yes, cross platform promotion is doable albeit it will be a slow burn. If I had the material and the followers, I’d spend there over Meta. I’ve put a couple of reels on FB and I don’t trust that the views are human. TikTok seems more genuine to me. Ymmv.
Cheers - John.
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its basically FB ads to get REAL followers , them buy followers as you know is all BS
I'm not real hip on Tik tok , I'll explore it later
looks good man
One fan is dying from driving his motor cycle into a truck going 85 miles per hour , cuz he's GF cheated on him
He wants to get buried in a bunny suite
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^ Aarrrgh! So I opened a TikTok business account to try a test ad. I can only advertise in the UK so it is basically useless. To advertise outside of resident jurisdiction with self serve ads one has to use an agency - way out of my league.
Cheers John.
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^ Aarrrgh! So I opened a TikTok business account to try a test ad. I can only advertise in the UK so it is basically useless. To advertise outside of resident jurisdiction with self serve ads one has to use an agency - way out of my league.
Cheers John.
I don't know man England has more talent then USA and are nicer people lol
I find Spoitify a complete waste of time . FB ads and talking to people work for me , Maybe i can sell them a cd down the line . The trick is FREE just pay shipping $7.00 ,
shit....cheap promotion , lucky your not homeless dealing with that
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Awesome! Here’s a song! Let me know if the link works https://nashvillecalifornia.com/listen-page/
Alot of work on built funnels , Now fans come to FB and ask for new song
A few haters , not many
Oh yeah cheap , paying 500 for wifes facials , Bribe money lol
its a conspiracy
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How is the promotion going ? not bad you get 70 % who like me ..25% who hate me and 5% bat shit crazy people
Will they buy the CD with a QR code on it to download 17 songs ? I guess will see in 3 weeks on more FB ads to sell it .
Will I R.O.I. ? I kinda doubt it , maybe enough to buy a tent and lantern , camp by a river , house are way over-rated . Well Trumps going to win and fix everything , and buffalos fly
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How is the promotion going ? not bad you get 70 % who like me ..25% who hate me and 5% bat shit crazy people
Will they buy the CD with a QR code on it to download 17 songs ? I guess will see in 3 weeks on more FB ads to sell it .
Will I R.O.I. ? I kinda doubt it , maybe enough to buy a tent and lantern , camp by a river , house are way over-rated . Well Trumps going to win and fix everything , and buffalos fly
Hey man! How you doing? I haven’t been around much here but I do listen in. I’ve been writing, learning, engaging on social media and doing some collaborations. I settled into a promotion budget of $2 per day for ever all on Instagram. Conversions cost nearly a $ but you don’t miss the cost of an espresso shot going out. It’s all the promo I do but I’m happy with the outcomes. Head Full Of Demons just send for distribution - it turned out well :-)
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Its not bad , I get about a 25 % engagement rate on a song
Some fans are real nice , some are bat shit crazy
I've read major artist reviews they get , They get about the same results , but on a much bigger scale.
I haven't launched FB ads to sell Cd's yet with a QR sticker to down load songs for $7.00. The lead in is... FREE cd , just pay for shipping
Though stats show , people still buy Cd's ,
The QR sticker placed on cd's... will insure they can download all 17 songs to play on their phone.
I've asked people , Do you have a cd player ? most said no . To my dismay.. some girl 21 years old had a cd player
Thanks for asking
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Thanks for sending us a copy of your album.
I have listened to it and we will give each of the songs a few plays on our station for you.
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So stop recording for awhile and promote , Seems right
They charge 125 month radio play , 6 songs , maybe sell cds and ROI , I do better in England than Nashville , To saturated of a market
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@Elvis Nash (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22812) Hope it all works out well. I’ve taken a different track because I’ve no commercial interest. I’m just a hobbyist. But, I do want people to hear my music so I spend far more time on promotion than on writing and producing. I’m fine with that though because I’ve found that I actually enjoy it. To me promotion is as much a part of the whole process as writing. So, a song isn’t finished until I hit my target Spotify streams and the next song will not be released until that happens. Spotify is useless commercially of course but it is most of the market when it comes to the demographic that is open to hearing new music, so the Spotify data is the only metric that interests me nowadays. I’m happy to remain poor😂
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@Elvis Nash (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22812) Hope it all works out well. I’ve taken a different track because I’ve no commercial interest. I’m just a hobbyist. But, I do want people to hear my music so I spend far more time on promotion than on writing and producing. I’m fine with that though because I’ve found that I actually enjoy it. To me promotion is as much a part of the whole process as writing. So, a song isn’t finished until I hit my target Spotify streams and the next song will not be released until that happens. Spotify is useless commercially of course but it is most of the market when it comes to the demographic that is open to hearing new music, so the Spotify data is the only metric that interests me nowadays. I’m happy to remain poor😂
I guess it depends if that radio station gets enough listeners and people like the song to buy it with a Pay Pal button for $1.50 , or buy the cd with a QR code to down load all the songs for $7.00 .
I don't like Spotify , But I guess with promotion you can get spins . Einstein said , Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. So I'm trying diffrent things to ROI
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@Elvis Nash (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22812) Hope it all works out well. I’ve taken a different track because I’ve no commercial interest. I’m just a hobbyist. But, I do want people to hear my music so I spend far more time on promotion than on writing and producing. I’m fine with that though because I’ve found that I actually enjoy it. To me promotion is as much a part of the whole process as writing. So, a song isn’t finished until I hit my target Spotify streams and the next song will not be released until that happens. Spotify is useless commercially of course but it is most of the market when it comes to the demographic that is open to hearing new music, so the Spotify data is the only metric that interests me nowadays. I’m happy to remain poor😂
I guess it depends if that radio station gets enough listeners and people like the song to buy it with a Pay Pal button for $1.50 , or buy the cd with a QR code to down load all the songs for $7.00 .
I don't like Spotify , But I guess with promotion you can get spins . Einstein said , Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. So I'm trying diffrent things to ROI
I love Spotify and also Meta. They have their flaws as do we all but I’ll be forever grateful that they exist. That a hobbyist like myself can make music in my spare bedroom and find people all over the world to listen to it is nothing short of a miracle to me. And it costs nothing! There has never been a better time in history to be an Indie artist and it’s all down to Meta and Spotify.
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its a tuff bizz Whiskey , as a hobbyist is fine , but to ROI is evasive . My thinking if you put in 20 years on the craft you should make money , I'm sure i'm being naive .
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I sold 2 cds today in hour when ad came out , so its working, if it gets in the hundreds I can ROI. So scale down vids to 1000 views , Youtube is not the money maker FB ads are on cd sales , Youtube is only vanity posts , If it makes no money who cares
Yes sadly people are used to not paying for music., 3 years of recording costs, 20 years of learning the craft . no vacations in 9 years. I guess I'm more like Tesla than George Westinghouse , Tesla was lousy in business... but he did enlighten the world .
I like saying important things like ROI . But still mix up in the black or red .
https://bit.ly/4dlLOLC
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https://ukcountryradio.com/artists/elvis-nash
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https://www.hot97.com/
Hip Hop ?
bricks and mortar maybe , airplay, shows, and selling cds
Dear Elvis Nash
We apologize for the delay in our response.
We're pleased to listen to your songs they're magnificent. And to share you our music promotion. we believes your music might be a good fit for some of our promotional opportunities.
At Hot97 we're passionate about discovering and supporting emerging artists with strong potential. We believe you sound has the potentials to resonate with a wide audience and achieve significant success.
We specialize in music promotion, artist management, radio airplay live video call placement & more. If you're interested in exploring opportunities to reach a wider audience as Hot97 has over 6.5 million listeners both live and on airplay and we are always here to elevate your career, we'd love to discuss how we can collaborate to achieve your goals.
We understand that navigating the music industry can be challenging. Our team has a proven track record of success in helping artists gain exposure, secure radio airplay, and build a dedicated fanbase
we offer various promotional packages, including weekly and monthly options, that can help amplify your music's reach after successful submission and evaluation which every package come with a live video call If you choose one of these packages, our team will assist you with completing the airplay form to maximize your exposure on our station.
Here are the cost of airplay
A week $400
2 weeks $700
3 weeks $1,100
1 month $1,600
2 months $2,100
VIP $2,650
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https://www.hot97.com/
Hip Hop ?
bricks and mortar maybe , airplay, shows, and selling cds
Dear Elvis Nash
We apologize for the delay in our response.
We're pleased to listen to your songs they're magnificent. And to share you our music promotion. we believes your music might be a good fit for some of our promotional opportunities.
At Hot97 we're passionate about discovering and supporting emerging artists with strong potential. We believe you sound has the potentials to resonate with a wide audience and achieve significant success.
We specialize in music promotion, artist management, radio airplay live video call placement & more. If you're interested in exploring opportunities to reach a wider audience as Hot97 has over 6.5 million listeners both live and on airplay and we are always here to elevate your career, we'd love to discuss how we can collaborate to achieve your goals.
We understand that navigating the music industry can be challenging. Our team has a proven track record of success in helping artists gain exposure, secure radio airplay, and build a dedicated fanbase
we offer various promotional packages, including weekly and monthly options, that can help amplify your music's reach after successful submission and evaluation which every package come with a live video call If you choose one of these packages, our team will assist you with completing the airplay form to maximize your exposure on our station.
Here are the cost of airplay
A week $400
2 weeks $700
3 weeks $1,100
1 month $1,600
2 months $2,100
VIP $2,650
Damn, I’ve no interest in making money but I wouldn’t want to be out of pocket by too much either. I’m ok having smaller ambitions but you deserve more. It sucks that it is so hard to make it work because there are millions of people who would love your music but just don’t know it yet. It’s a crowded market I guess.
Meanwhile ‘Head Full of Demons’ which you provoked me to write should, by close of play tomorrow, be my first song to hit 1000 streams on Spotify ;-). That’ll make me happy enough.
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65 million listeners with there radio play , I don't know man , its tempting
Maybe spin one for a month . See how it stacks up against majors
That one
https://hearthis.at/elvis-nash-xk/piano-3-1-1-1-1/Klh/
Here's my reasoning, I could never beat them on million dollar production songs
But maybe this simple song could compete , stripped down
1000 spins congrats for Spotify , don't mind me I'm moody on getting a ROI
crowded market ? Yes I believe so , Tug A War . Rush hour on a train wreck derailing some where near Truth Or Consequences New Mexico. Recue workers found a few survivors on a mountain , bruised and battered with tales to tell. Details at 11. In global news were still acting like 6 year olds . Wendy how's that weather ? i have no idea my goal is to be a model.
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That is a beautiful song @Elvis Nash (http://www.songwriterforum.co.uk/index.php?action=profile;u=22812) I wasn’t expecting it to stay with piano and keys but it works to my ears. I don’t know anything about getting real volume, my ad budget is $2 a day in perpetuity so hardly breakthrough money 😂. You certainly got the product though man!
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I'm trying to cut down on production costs , I don't think it needs anything else
I'm not sure what I'm paying a day on ads , I'm selling CDS , But it needs to ramp up to ROI , Now its just testing
Maybe the radio play will work with 65 million listeners , See if a % will buy cds
Thanks
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I sell a cd a day , not good but something , Its how you do the ad, it sold 3 in hour today , If we can nail 20 a day or something ROI might be possible