[Dutchbeat]

Sorry for this mess, Bin  

and that i put this up for feedback here

but that is so that we can get some sense of direction again  

edit: new mix....here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f6PigRgHrk&feature=youtu.be

lyrics: Liam from Neverwas, Singing: Mrs. DB
all other noises and music: Binladeda and Dutchbeat

[habiTat]

the link opens windows live mail

*edit, scratch that, it works now

[Dutchbeat]

i made that mistake and edited that

sorry

[habiTat]

It's quite muddly Dutch, I like it but it's very busy, what are you trying to do with it? How did you intend it to be? Maybe leave that version alone and start again with the base tracks, see how it develops with a fresh approach..

Good luck with it

[Dutchbeat]

ah, that is a very encouraging start

start again 

much appreciated, thanks for your feedback, Habi

we will have to be drastic, i agree, in redoing this

[habiTat]

Sorry I didn't mean to come across as brutal but sometimes you can end up putting patches on top of patches and you lose your way. A clean slate can help you to take it somewhere different.

Hope I didn't offend 

hab..

[Dutchbeat]

no, no Habi, not at all!!

sorry if i left that impression

that is really what we want

and need, honest feedback

and yes, it IS Muddly

[habiTat]

Ok cool, I didn't think so but I wanted to check

I hope others can give more specific advice to you.

[ABeautifulVirus]

despite the muddiness which can be easily fixed parametrically EQing i really dig this.
Has this Euro-dance-beat thing going on. then at 2:06 it goes into this sorta Portishead vibe which make it sonically diverse.

tons of potential here mate

-Daren

[seriousfun]

Youve gone down a road I travel a lot.

Lots of real interesting ideas, maybe enough for a couple or three songs here and youve tried lots of unusual sounds and effects. IMHO I think the sum of the individual components excededs the value of the finished product. ( Thats a nice way of saying there is a lot of really good stuff happening but at times its not jelling together).

I spend half my recording time in this situation, its so frustrating.  I would look at stripping back to the basics and then bringing in tracks one at a time and asking myself each time, does this track improve the overall song?  Perhaps it might in places then thats good but if doesnt add, take it out and use the idea in the next song cause you have ideas to burn in this song.

Not meaning to be negative here as bascically I like what I hear its just that as a complete work its not really happening and this is too good to throw away.

Looking forward to hearing the finished product.

Allan.

[montydog]

I think there is a good song here but it's a bit overwhelmed by all the stuff going on. It's a little disorientating if I'm honest. Not qualified to give advice on mixes etc but I'd make it a bit more basic and don't put so much effect on the vocal. I really like the melody in there.

[weaver]

it does feel to busy to me and over produced,simple,simple catchy monkey...or something like that

[digger72]

Hi Dutchbeat,

Mmm. It all sounds technically accomplished, but it reminded me of home - me playing one song in one room and my daughter playing a different song in another, each of us competing to drowned out the other. There were lots of elements i liked, but perhaps not how they are working with each other.

I do like your inventive nature though.

Cheers,

Digger

[Sevla]

I found on a first listen that I could not take in all the extraneous noises so it kind of distracted me from the melody.

After a couple of listens, I think the brain filters some of this out and then the melody and themes start to shine through.

The guitars (good sound here) and vocal up to the "mentally deranged" bit stand out as a hook. The groove is good and maybe if the verse parts were simplified and then lifted at the hook, it may help un clutter things and give it a bit of focus.

This is a kind of outside view from "joe public" because I know little about this style.....but all the same I hope this helps.

[Dutchbeat]

thanks guys, to muddly, too complex!!!

very nice....but it is too much and the mix sucks is what it comes down to
thanks!!!

i made a clearer (less muddly) mix, so i felt there was Clearly room to add some synthy 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f6PigRgHrk&feature=youtu.be

better, don't you think?