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« on: February 01, 2017, 12:34:23 AM »
Hello to one and all from Surrey UK, at just gone midnight.

Im Caroline, 37, currently burning the candle at both ends - as the children will be up at the crack of dawn tomorrow. (Hey, ho)

Just discovered this fab forum whilst searching for advice on singer/songwriting and how it all works once you start collaborating with others. Up until about an hour ago i had little to no idea...


I recently posted an add on a band joining website, as I'm desperate to get back into music (I dabbled with a bit of DJing and studio-mucking-about back 'int day) and Im hoping to join up with a musician I'm in talks with, once we know whether we gel, and there are more band members.
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In the meantime - I had an email today to collaborate on someone else's track/s with my own lyrics/vocals.  So. I need to learn some stuff. And fast.


POINTERS REQUIRED
- Can anyone offer general advice on first time collaboration?

- Equipment? the cheapest/best basics that i might need to buy to aid with said collaboration???
At present I have internet, mac, garage band, some good headphones, my 1992 yamaha keyboard (stock aitken and waterman demos eat your heart out.) and thats it.
I definitely need a good mic... (Im currently recording vocals on my phone, quietly, whilst the kids are asleep in the room next door. lol)

- Has anyone had experience of any good online music production courses? Mixing & mastering mainly.

- Not that I imagine anything would ever happen, but does anyone copywrite any of their stuff before sharing work with others? What is easiest way to go?

- Any other suggestions for beginners things that i need to know would be amazing!!

So sorry to ask so much when we just met!
Hope alls well, and thanks in advance for any pointers that people are kind enough to offer.
Cheers team :)

Caz x

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« Last Edit: February 01, 2017, 01:59:12 AM by Cazrolina »
Caz

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 08:15:46 AM »
Welcome CAZ

I think you have found exactly the right place to get yourself prepared for this next step


- Can anyone offer general advice on first time collaboration?

Find someone you "get on with" first and foremost - take time to get to know where each other is coming from both personally and musically - and what each other's musical goals are

It is easy to jump straight in to writing together without taking this time only to find out that one party gets really frustrated and is working towards a completely different goal

The only other thing I would suggest is being very clear up front about "splits" - my own rule is that I share all writing credits 50/50 when collaborating - this ensures that only the very best ideas are chosen and you don't end up getting defensive, or try to ensure enough of "your" ideas get included to ensure you get a good split if this is decided at the end


- Equipment? the cheapest/best basics that i might need to buy to aid with said collaboration???
At present I have internet, mac, garage band, some good headphones, my 1992 yamaha keyboard (stock aitken and waterman demos eat your heart out.) and thats it.
I definitely need a good mic... (Im currently recording vocals on my phone, quietly, whilst the kids are asleep in the room next door. lol)

Based on what you currently have I would suggest getting a bundle like this if you can afford it

http://www.dv247.com/microphones/avantone-ck-6-recording-package--105578

A cheaper option would be:
http://www.dv247.com/computer-hardware/focusrite-scarlett-solo-studio-package-2nd-gen--229915

You would need to add a mic stand and pop shield - both of which are good investments


- Has anyone had experience of any good online music production courses? Mixing & mastering mainly.

Not yet- but I am working on one  ;D  ;)

In all honesty I would suggest posting here in the "recording" forum. There are loads of people here that will get you up and running in no time and then you can ask specific questions as you progress

The problem I have found with the current online mixing and mastering courses is that they tend to start assuming you already have a good knowledge!!  ???

If you are starting out I would suggest just concentrating on getting a good vocal recorded, compressed and EQ'd - worry about the other mixing as you go along - again we can all help you every step of the way...


- Not that I imagine anything would ever happen, but does anyone copywrite any of their stuff before sharing work with others? What is easiest way to go?

In all honesty I would say don't worry! The chances of scoring a hit that makes enough money to worry about is so small you have more chance getting hit by a bus - so worry about that instead  :(

A publisher/label will not "steal" a song from you - if you write a hit they wil want YOU - not the song so they can make more money. They want the goose that lays the golden eggs, not the golden egg  ;)


- Any other suggestions for beginners things that i need to know would be amazing!!

Hang out on these forums and ask as many questions as you can think of! We have a vast range of experience here ranging from people in the same position as you, those a few steps ahead, right through to signed writers, publishers, recording studio owners etc. - who are all willing to help and answer questions

To check out my music please visit:

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 01:37:44 PM »
Hiya Caroline.

Welcome to the forum. I also use Garageband for my recordings which i swear by (sometimes literally!) and the Rode NT Microphone

http://cvp.com/index.php?t=product/rode_ntusb_microphone

This microphone is awesome.

In my opinion you have everything you need. A Mac with Garageband is as good as you can get for amateur purposes.

in terms of copywrite, ive got a footnote on my Soundcloud Status - see link at bottom of message, but i have no idea how much legal authority it has. gives me peace of mind for now though

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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 02:19:49 AM »
Hi Boydie and Micky,

Oh my days. Thank you so much for the advice, guys. It's like my prayers have been answered! Fantastic help. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you!

And cheers for those mic links. Fab.

Couple of baby steps completed - but I don't want to run before I'm steady, hey.
Theres so much great stuff on here, though. I feel more confident already, and look forward to learning more.

Thanks again and have a grand Thursday.
C
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 08:04:14 AM »
You are very welcome

Just post any other questions in the RECORDING section and we can get you up and running in no time

I checked out your tracks/vocals and they sounded great - I would definitely be up for a Collab at some point if you are up for it (and when you have settled)

AND/OR

I have some tracks that need female vocals if you want to do a trade for some production/mixing/mastering
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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2017, 12:41:52 AM »
Hi Boydie,

Yes. That would be fab. I had a listen to your SC earlier tonight - loving your work.
My studio limitations and lack of experience are sooooo frustrating. Trade off would be brill.  What a forum :)

Im penning lyrics to the dance track at the moment. The guy seems v nice, so I might just need to get this under my belt first and then come back to you. (Plus I need to get the mic etc sorted out.)

If you have them, send over the link/s to what you had in mind.
Excited to find out more.

And thanks again for all your help so far, by the way.
Invaluable.

C :)



« Last Edit: February 03, 2017, 12:58:11 PM by Cazrolina »
Caz

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2017, 07:35:40 AM »
You are very welcome (both for the help and to the forum)

Give me a shout when you are ready - there is no rush or pressure

I also agree with MICKY's recommendation for microphone

There are some great value mics by RODE and Se that may suit you - and if you are just recording vocals then a "USB mic" (which essentially has the audio interface built in) is a good way to go

This one is a good option as it can also run in "analogue mode", so it can also be used as a normal mic with another audio interface as well as a USB mic:
https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/SEEUSB2200A/usb-mics/se-usb2200a-usb-microphone


This is probably your best value approach if you want something "studio quality" and just ready to go:
https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/SEE-W-X1USB/usb-mics/se-electronics-x1-usb-microphone


This is also an excellent option, and the one recommended by MICKY, as it comes with a pop shield, desk stand and 6m USB cable - just add a mic stand and you are good to go
https://www.andertons.co.uk/p/NTUSB/usb-mics/rode-nt-usb-studio-quality-usb-microphone
« Last Edit: February 03, 2017, 07:44:41 AM by Boydie »
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2017, 10:55:54 PM »
So. I had me a little chat with the husband earlier. After a proposal to make dinner every night next week and take our kids out all day next saturday, I reckon i might have secured the last of your suggestions.

I think it ticks all the boxes and won't break the bank (well, not too much anyway.)
(I told him about the really expensive options first, then this one, to soften the blow, and explained that this was actually saving him 300quid. Worked a treat!)
 
Thanks again. Brilliant help.
C
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2017, 12:03:31 AM »
Hi C  a bit late on the thread but my whole ethos regarding home recording evolved around being able to do it on a budget as everyone should be able to be involved. Personal ly I have a shite eBay twenty quid mic and has done me OK. Ipersonally don't think that a better mic is going to turn me into an incredible singer as that's never going to happen. Anyway, just some lessons learned from me. Go for it  :)

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2017, 02:26:47 AM »
Hey Pompey. Funny you should say that as I've been looking at eBay too, on the off chance there might be anything cheaper. There's no way I'd pay 450 for a package as That'd be just plain daft.
I'm not one to shy away from a  bargain. And it's always good to weigh up all the options and get the right choice.
Cheers :)
Caz

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Debut EP ‘Polarity’ out now.
Listen here: https://www.alphalineband.com/press-1/polarity-out-now